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Veteran, Amen to that.

I think Arnie is trying to understand our point of view and seeking to be genuine, but all of us have a certain tendency to get defensive when our beliefs are challenged. After all, if someone can prove that we've been wrong in our understanding about one thing, what else might we be mistaken...

I tip my hat to the choir loft. Arnie Manitoba started another thread discussing the doctrine, and we're trying to approach the topic with "open minds," though he is aware of my own opposition to it. I believe that the Truth will make itself known through the Spirit of Truth, but our fleshly...

Hi Veteran, I actually undestood this one. Maybe the brick isn't so thick. As a radio tech. I like to say that I'm only a half watt, but at least the light bulb seems to be turned on. :D

Are the two witnesses spoken of in the book of the revelation prophets? I don't make the claim to be one of them (though at least one person floating about the forum thinks that he is.) Though, as far as I can tell, the two witnesses are still mainly doing what the church is called to do until...

Sorry to tell you this, but the Lord doesn't grade on a curve and Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. Christians should be on the side of truth, which is the Lord's side. God doesn't excuse sin, but rather made atonement for it with the precious blood of His Son. I'm not asking you...

That was a good post Arnie, and pretty much the way I understand the scriptures that you quoted. I thought that I might comment on one part: “3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape...

Hi again Arnie, I'd hoped this thread was a genuine attempt to understand what the scripture says, but clearly some would rather use the thread to perpetuate a lie. It's a shame as the cost will be very high and possibly more than they can bear. I've done my job, fulfilled the requirement of...

Allanforchrist, Have you even read the scriptures? The reasons my words have no weight is because they're my own and not God's. His word says that the first resurrection occurs after the destruction of the anti-christ:Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus...

All the books of the bible are primarily about God, but God isn't schizophrenic. If He says by His Spirit that there is no one righteous, and if He says by His Son, there is no one good but God, you need to understand that those that are referred to as righteous are called that because they've...

I'm inclined to believe that sound doctrine will win in the end, but time will tell and probably sooner than later.

Hi again Arnie, I don't mind you using different text colors to distinguish between our comments, but I'd really appreciate it if you used some color other than red. I often use red when quoting Christ and my own words have no weight to them at all. I sometimes write without quoting scripture...

No, thats not the point of the story at all. The real point is that absolutely no one is saved through their own righteous works, because those works are what we were created to do: So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants...

Hi Veteran, The pre-trib rapture doctrine has a very strong appeal to our carnal nature and I swallowed it hook, line, and sinker when I was young in the faith. It took quite a while for the Holy Spirit to change my understanding. I think that we need to be patient with people and trust to...

I don't know what's set you so vehemently in opposition, but I believe that both of you, Arnie and Veteran, are sincere followers of our Lord. I don't understand everything Veteran is talking about, but that doesn't make it wrong, but even if he should be mistaken in anything, he's entitled to...

Actually, Job had a sin serious enough to keep him from salvation, though it wasn't God that killed his children and brought all those calamities upon him: So these three men ceased answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Job 32:1 If Job hadn't sinned there would be no reason...

Thank you Selene and Angelina for maintaing the bond of peace. It's quite refreshing and encouraging to me. The process of maturation at work.

I think that the disagreements are mainly about definitions. I'm inclined to believe that the prophetic gift remains necessary until Jesus Christ returns and the church is perfected. Its hard to believe that the Lord would allow the body to remain disjointed, full of factions, and largely...

Hi Arnie, One thing that you notice while reading the book of the revelation, is that there are a whole lot of people dieing. You also see that during at least one of the plagues, that those with the mark of the beast are not permitted to die even though they wish for death. I wouldn't be...

Dualism is a false perception of spiritual reality when applied to the person of God, but it isn't a false perception of His creation if it's observable. Are you familiar with Newtonian physics? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. That is dualism created by God to make the...