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    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Congratulations, it sounds like you're almost convinced, however that isn't my job, but His. The key to that verse is the word "show." It isn't the study which brings approval, rather the study demonstrates the approval when it leads to sound doctrine.
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    The hypergrace controversy: Heresy, maturity, or somewhere in between?

    Hi Veteran, While I'm inclined to agree with you with respect to the notion that John was writing to believers, I'm also inclined to believe that those who receive the Spirit of the Living God are saved, were saved, and will be saved. People keep making the argument that a "believer" can loose...
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    God Knew Adam and Eve Would Fall

    7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 1 John 4:7 Men were created with an innate capacity for emotional attachment and for "romantic love" which is little more than chemical attraction, but the Love of God, described in the...
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    The hypergrace controversy: Heresy, maturity, or somewhere in between?

    Hi Arnie, Sound doctrine is essential, exact doctrine however would appear to be problematic given the human tendency to take scripture out of context and apply it in a manner that gives us the most personal benefit. There are hints in the new testament epistles that suggest that at least some...
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    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Hello again wormwood, Scholars tend to believe that their opinions are justified by their scholarship, and also tend to be highly offended when anyone suggests that their scholarship gives them no authority in Christ's kingdom. If I thought that there were no value to studying deeper than just...
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    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Hello again, wormwood, Since Veteran has joined the discussion, and since responses are combined by the editor, it's becoming a little difficult to follow who is addressing who. I will say that for my part, I was taught a little bit about dispensationalist doctrine about 15 years ago in a...
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    Can you have God as your Father, without the Church as your mother?

    The knowledge of the truth is the word of God, which was given to the Hebrews (as was the epistle with that title), but some didn't believe: 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and...
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    The hypergrace controversy: Heresy, maturity, or somewhere in between?

    The scripture says a bit more about baptism than what you're getting out of these verses. Jesus's actions were symbolic of a "greater truth" that we all need to be cleansed by Him. His action in washing Peter's feet wasn't a baptism, but certainly represented the baptism to come after His...
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    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Hello Bitterness, perhaps you should change your screen name to "arrogance." Prior to the invention of the printing press, the vast majority of the population was illiterate. During most of the church's history, anyone who had anything to say that disagreed with what came out of Rome was labeled...
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    If no Rapture - then what ?

    31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on...
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    Can you have God as your Father, without the Church as your mother?

    None of the Christ's disciples received His Spirit until after the resurrection of Christ, so while they were cleansed by the word that they heard, they had not received the guarantor of their salvation. Judas was never saved and killed himself before the Holy Spirit was given to indwell...
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    If no Rapture - then what ?

    I understand your opinion, but how in the world do you know that "NO CHRISTIAN in history ever saw these points you feel are so obvious until about 200 years ago." You couldn't possibly know such a thing unless you're God and I'm reasonably sure that such isn't the case. I'm unfamiliar with Mr...
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    Can you have God as your Father, without the Church as your mother?

    Hello again Selene, Again, I've never suggested that you leave your church. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. As far as proving anything from scripture, well, that's questionable, but as I've said at least twice already, my purposes here are not to debate RCC doctrine, however: You...
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    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Hello again, bitterness, Are you being deliberately obtuse? 30 “Now it shall come to pass, when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the Lord your God drives you, 2 and you return to the...
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    The hypergrace controversy: Heresy, maturity, or somewhere in between?

    I believe that our fleshly nature, which is always at war with the Spirit of God, makes us "feel" like we must work for righteousness so that we may take some pride in our accomplishment, but in this we "steal glory" from Jesus Christ to whom all glory is due. Its very easy for us to slip into a...
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    Can you have God as your Father, without the Church as your mother?

    Hello again Selene, I never made any claim that the RCC wasn't a legitimate church, I just can't receive it as being the supreme authority over doctrine, given about 1600 years of corrupting influence. I left the RCC as my first "adult" decision at the age of 13 and after being "confirmed" in...
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    Can you have God as your Father, without the Church as your mother?

    Hello again Selene, your post was written like a true defender of "Holy Mother the church." Good for you. I wouldn't expect Pope Fortunatus, or actually (Bishop of Rome) to be in your list of the Popes simply because he was murdered by the order of his successor, who then tried his corpse for...
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    The hypergrace controversy: Heresy, maturity, or somewhere in between?

    I didn't want to use the names of any of these brothers, as I respect what they're trying to do, so I'll leave that as a question mark. I wouldn't argue that a constant cleansing wasn't necessary, but our salvation is accomplished when we believe and receive Jesus Christ by His Spirit. The...
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    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Wormwood, on 18 Aug 2013 - 12:04 AM, said: Michael, Maybe this is how you read my interpretations, but this is certainly not what I have said. I have never claimed that God did not mean what he said. I am saying that "Israel" and the promises made to this people group is defined in the New...
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    Can you have God as your Father, without the Church as your mother?

    Hello Selene, and the Lord bless you (though I'm sure that he already has), I have no desire to engage in any lengthy discussion or argument over Catholic doctrine. Its somewhat akin to beating a dead horse. I have Catholic brothers in Christ whom I have no desire to injure by "attacking their...