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(samy;50059) Setfree and Kriss, may I simply point out that in 1 Cor 15:52 Paul does not say "at the last TRUMPET" he says, "at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound..." He was refering to the trumpet that we see mentioned in Matthew 24:31, that we would learn later from John would be the...

Matthew 24:27 "For as the lightning cometh our to the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."The second coming of Jesus Christ will be just that quick, the time it take the sun to rise and to set, is the time that it will take for all the events of...

(treeoflife;50079) Okay, on the Revelation part that's fine. We can ignore the Revelation so it doesn't cause confusion. I only added it as an after thought. We can just stick to Mathew then since it is the key verse, and we know it is talking about, "immediately" after the...

Amos 8:11Money do not all ministers go to the same schools?many did hold out Van Impee was the last he was threatened along with others if you do not teach it no T.V. show he used to teach against it

true thats why I dont completly disagree that poison it could be symbology but here we are talking the very apostels being given the full knowledge of God And as far as tonuges not to argue this again but your idea of it being anything but forgein languages of men defies common sense how were...

Well I disagree if you had never heard of it these verse's being taken of context to proof something that was never taught would be ridiculous I would never be put in a postion of having to disprove what was never there in the first place. this doctrine is not taught in any other country it was...

(setfree;50070) I understand this much....I guess I am looking for more details.We are to preach (proclaim) the gospel.Those that believe and is baptized shall be saved.(why are they both mentioned here?)Those that do not believe will be condemed...I understand!These signs shall follow them that...

(treeoflife;50060) I come into this truly having no persuasion as to when we will be taken... pre, mid, or post trib. So lets look at Matthew and what will happen immediately following the tribulation, again.Matthew 24:29-31Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be...

yes super kal it was a couple lines in 5 poems is all that exists of his work and that was a mistranslation of the parables of the tears it wasnt a taught doctrine and as far as I know the only person who claims to have seen it is grant Jefferys People could misinterpt a verse even back then...

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(followerofchrist;49835) I have mentioned the verses in the quran about cutting off the heads of infadels to my muslim friends and they get pretty nervous and kinda of deny it. I dont think too many muslims actually believe everything in the quran they dont want to admit what it says now, but if...

(treeoflife;50021) Actually... that shows me that it is a pre-trib rapture.The tribes of the earth mourn... and then the elect are gathered from "the four winds," and from one end of heaven to the other. There are three heavens--the sky (where the birds fly), space (where the celestial bodies...

(DONNIE;50002) The word of God clearly states that believers will escape the tribulation bloodbath. "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thes 5:9). "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of...

(treeoflife;50023) lol, it's amusing to watch your squirm. "Lie of Satan" is your favorite phrase.Yes... read what I said again. If the Christians are gathered "from heaven" they are obviously not on the earth with the tribes of the earth.So, either all the Christians just happen to be taking...

Hi Silentflight glad to hear things are going better these days you are looking at this all wrong I know what friends you are talking about Gods wants you to love them where do you get the idea you arent supposed to love them secondly its not up to you to judge them whether you see their sin or...

Jesus said Matt 13:30 30 Let both(wicked and Good seed) grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together ((( first ))) the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matt 13:36-43 BOTH GOOD AND EVIL...

(DONNIE;49998) I really don't think my salvation is at risk if i don't interpret a passage the same way you do. God only gives good gifts to his children and suffering the wrath of tribulation does not sound like a good gift. To say we will endure that wrath says that Jesus didn't pay for it all...

I understand this dilema Donnie the problem is where did all this come from it was men in 1830 following the visions of a girl who later went insane it was picked up by Darby and then scofield and spread our greart grandparents were not taught this its a mans teaching its not Gods Wordsare these...

Sorry Donnie I can not buy that if one isnt aware that Antichrist comes first you are in danger of believing he is Christ come to gather us to him. We are told this in 2 Thess.that the gathering to our Lord is after the man of sin, and the falling away this is the tribulation.If you dont know...

(Jerusalem Junkie;49911) Deceived by what? So what your all saying is that if you believe in life beyond our little planet your not Christian is that it? Any body ever stop to think God might not have gave away all his secrets. There are things that can and do exist outside the realm of the...