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Consider what it says here... 2Co 6:1, We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. 2Co 6:2, (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold...

Grace, if taught incorrectly, is licentiousness...and these men have taught it incorrectly. Effort is not necessarily a bad thing. In Romans 3:23, the words "come short" are in the present passive indicative. This indicates to me that we come short of the glory of God when we are not active...

Yet, it is your teaching that if someone loses faith, they continue to be saved. For you have said that faith is not the primary factor but what God has done for us is the primary factor. It remains that we have access to what the Lord has done for us through faith....and without faith we lose...

Actually, I find that it is not quoted by many any more. Those who do quote it, have the capability of convincing me of their pov.

No; because it is your claim that we have encountered each other before; and it is my contention that we have not. Why would I go searching for something that I do not believe I would be able to find?

No, your exact statement here is not the truth: . . . That is not all that scripture teaches on the matter. Yes, Isaiah 1:18. And at this point, I do not believe that your issue is an intellectual one; but rather it is an issue of the heart. You will yourself not to believe the reality of...

Well, please name for me (provide a link to our communications in) the threads where we have previously encountered each other.

The posts in question certainly do not contain fables; but they contain an application of holy scripture.

I never said that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost weren't distinct from one another. But I think that you misunderstand my terminology when I say to you that Jesus is the Father come in human flesh. Nevertheless the terminology is biblical.

I wasn't talking about the ark.

That is not the truth. Now you have twisted it. My point is that a person will come to faith in Jesus Christ if they use their reasoning capabilities to reason with the Lord. Of course a man is cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ. However He must place his faith in the shed blood of Jesus...

So then, in your opinion, there are those who believe who are not truly children of God?

Of course they are scripture. If you translate the word "and" within them as "even" there is no contradiction with the idea that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are one and the same Spirit, one and the same Lord, and one and the same God (1 Corinthians 12:4-6, Ephesians 4:4-6).

Jesus is the author and the finisher of our faith. Which is not to say that the work that He does in us is limited to justification. For my sanctification to be real, I must be responsive...I mustn't resist the working of the Holy Ghost within me as He pinpoints sins in my life. When He does...

I have been pointing out that in Luke 8:13, the people who end up falling away do "believe for a while" Do you think that God would withhold the assurance spoken of in Romans 8:16 from them simply because they will not make it to the end? I don't. I believe that the Lord gives Romans 8:16...

What I am saying is that there are many who have a false assurance of salvation; who believe that His Spirit testifies with their spirit that they are children of God; and yet they are not saved. So, how do you know that you are not one of those people? Philippians 2:12 is repeated in...

I beg to differ. I think that we will have to agree to disagree. :confused:o_O:confused:o_O:confused:o_O You're out of your mind.

I believe that the third story of the building is living in Romans 8, the second story is Romans 7, and the first story is unbelief.. Thus, falling from the 3rd story to the 2nd story is not the same thing as falling away.