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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Rev 14:3-4 also symbolic ? Virgins & not defiled by women also symbolic ? 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Acts 1:11, Zech 14:4 Jesus STANDING 1 Thess 4:17, is Jesus STANDING ? NO, He is in the clouds. Different event
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Rev 7:4-8 is symbolic ? 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    """Tell me how Jesus will return to the ground on the earth when He will be burning up the earth........... Explain Zech 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the...
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    If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

    Since 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 teaches that the condition to be saved/sealed is believing & trusting the Gospel do you believe that if that trust stops then the believer remains saved even though they no longer believe ?
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    Eph 4:30 SEALED also the Matt 24:31 ELECT ?

    1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 """I think you are identifying two different groups ... with which I agree."" What leads you to believe they are 2 different groups ?
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    If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

    I'm glad you quoted verses and not just some childish moronic comment like others sometimes do :gd
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Matt 24:31 Apparently Jesus returns to the ground, do you disagree ? Zech 14: 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives Acts 1: 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come...
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    If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

    Since the 1 Cor 15:1-4 gospel teaches that trust/belief in the Gospel is required to be saved I too also believe that the belief must be ongoing. Where >>>does Paul<<< teach ANYTHING else to be & remain saved ? Here is what Christ through Paul teaches as the ACTION requirements What do you...
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    What do you pray for the most?

    What does the following gospel teach as to how you ARE saved ? 1 Cor 15:1-4 1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Thanks again Pin. Who do you believe are the 144,000 ? Rev 7:4:8 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Thanks Pin, Scripture will correct me if I am wrong. Omniscience - From Adam to Rev, GOD already knows the number who are eternally saved Do you believe GOD 'elected' who is saved, by random or based on foreknowledge ? I believe that from Adam to Rev there were 'groups' of elect eg the...
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    If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

    AS OF 1 Cor 15:1-4, the HS is received ONLY by believing & trusting the Gospel, nothing else by no-one. BEFORE 1 Cor 15:14 Acts 2:38.. Repent, and be baptized ... Acts 8:15-17 15.., prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they...
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    What Happens To You After Your Body Dies

    Thank you QT. The Bible tells us ALL that we are to know about after death & not the musings of man. The Bible is the ONLY book that was penned by over 40 writers, during a period exceeding 1500 years & completed approx 2000 years ago. NO other book comes close
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    Eph 4:30 SEALED also the Matt 24:31 ELECT ?

    eg was Matthew promised :-Eph 1:3 -- """all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:"" ? Not that I'm aware of. Let the verses correct me if I am wrong :)
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    If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

    ""Predestination is a "Biblical Fact" God has made vessels to dishonour and honour""" Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate .. Yes, predestinate based on foreknowledge eg in advance (foreknowledge) GOD knew who would not be saved but not randomly PREchose who would be...
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    Eph 4:30 SEALED also the Matt 24:31 ELECT ?

    Elect take mark ? I believe that if the 'mark' was here today there would be some who hear, trust, believe the 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel that would reluctantly take it. An Eph 4:30 sealed believer is a Eph 1:13 believer who hears, trusts, believes the 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel Take the mark = go to lake of...
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    Eph 4:30 SEALED also the Matt 24:31 ELECT ?

    That's a great question for the AMperts, EXperts can take a break :) .. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. In Matt 24:31 the ELECT are gathered BY ANGELS from...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Hey Pin, the ELECT in Matt 24:31, do you believe they are the same group as the SEALED in Eph 4:30 ?