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  1. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Sorry, but Christ isn't anywhere near vs. 27. Who is the last person mentioned before vs. 27? Answer: the prince to come which isn't Christ because by this time He was already in heaven and no it wasn't Titus. If you truly want to be honest with yourself than Dan. 11:22-23 should clarify to you...
  2. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Not so, but I was wondering, if I was right and you were wrong, how would this affect your christianity in any way? It shouldn't affect it all. I have a prophecy bible that has comments throughout it, leaning towards the pretrib view, which I personally don't believe in. However, it also has a...
  3. Trekson

    TODAY IS NOT GOD'S GATHERING OF ISRAEL

    When you read this, it is all in the past tense, thus not a prophecy about Israel. The word "them" used in a few of the verses are speaking about the false Gods and idols that Israel played the harlot to. It's leading up to the "why" for the judgment of the Babylon captivity. The rest of Ez. 16...
  4. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    The word "determined" means to "decree" something which means ordained. So, the 70 weeks were ordained for Israel to complete the goals of Dan. 9:24 that were given to them. God, knowing that Israel would fail, used their rejection to bring the gospel to the gentiles. Although Israel may have...
  5. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    No, I wouldn't accuse you of trampling, but you are unlearned in the ways of prophecy. It seem to me that if you can't see what the literal fulfillment would look like then you create some sort of spiritual meaning that may sound good and might even have a kernel of truth to it but you can't see...
  6. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Yes, he was saying "who" determined them. However, it's also God who determines "when and how" he will fulfill them and the division within the context shows it's not an uninterrupted 70 week period.
  7. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    Sorry, but this goes your way... IMO you are the kind of person the Holy Spirit teaches Christ's sheep not to throw His pearls of truth to, because you only turn and trample Christ with your feet. Or Christ's word, the same thing.
  8. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Dan. 12:4 tells us that in the latter days, knowledge will increase. That includes both secular and prophetic knowledge. Do you not think that that the generation that sees "all these things fulfilled" won't have a better grasp on prophecy then those who were over a thousand years away from...
  9. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    God determines when and how He will fulfill it. If one doesn't think God is fulfilling prophecy the way you expect Him to do, take it up w/ Him. If you're sincere enough, he may show you the truth.
  10. Trekson

    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    If you can't see the truth that I laid out, that's ok, maybe someday you will. "Determined" doesn't mean it has to be consecutive. It's the context itself that divides it 2 weeks, 62 weeks, 1 week. Why do you think that one week is all by itself? All Israel has to do to fullfill the goals of...
  11. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    T Then the orthodox church was wrong, read my last on this topic.
  12. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    No, nothing is based on unbelief but you're trying to make symbolic fulfillments out of things that should be taken as literal. Yes, there will be a temple, no there won't be any sacrifices done there. It will simply be the home of Christ. If it makes you feel better, call it a church, call it a...
  13. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Read Read the post I left about understanding Dan. 9:24-27
  14. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    C C'mon now, don't start saying things I'm not, I never said either covenant was exclusive for the Jews, just that it came to them "first" and that's biblical truth. You do realize it was about 10 yrs. after the resurrection before they started going to the gentiles, right? You wrote this whole...
  15. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Zechariah speaking of the millennial era, 8:23 - "Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God...
  16. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    When I first replied you had a lot of posts that I didn't have time to respond to them on a one at a time basis. The fullness of the gentiles will be complete when the rapture/resurrection will occur which I agree isn't pretrib, but it's not post 70th week either. The fulfillment of the 70th...
  17. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    NO, we are not "true" Israel, we are "spiritual" Israel. I agree about apostate Israel and they will be judged but God always preserves for Himself a remnant and they will begin the millennial era. Sorry, but your take about OT prophecy is completely wrong and that's why when it comes to...
  18. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    I haven't seen you post anything proving it wrong either, but if one has to go about symbolizing and spiritualizing the things that God meant to be understood literally, then one just goes down the rabbit hole to a wonderland where everything can mean anything, one makes up.
  19. Trekson

    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the (national) transgression, and to (This affirms that it is upon Israel and Jerusalem TO fulfill the following tasks) make an end of (national) sins, and to make reconciliation for (national) iniquity, and to...