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  1. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    This statement "Israel is not the central focus of Scripture, Jesus is" is true but what you're not understanding is that Israel is the ultimate focus of Jesus! The plan for Israel has been delayed, not completed and that is also a fact.
  2. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    If that is the case then it is the errant alternative that is presupposed. Anti-premill is anti-biblical. That's a fact. The "until" of Rom. 11:25 hasn't come yet, when it does than Rom. 11:26-32 kicks in " And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the...
  3. Trekson

    TODAY IS NOT GOD'S GATHERING OF ISRAEL

    This a prophecy about what will come, not what's already been. There is really only one nation that fits the description and it's an econmical reign and it has nothing to do w/ Israel or Jerusalem. Even the a/c & beast hate her.
  4. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    I agree with what everything you said, "They" knew what they were writing about but sometimes folks have trouble discerning or understanding what was actually be said. Christ laid the foundation upon which Israel will fulfill the goals given them but he wasn't fulfilling them because they...
  5. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    Heavy sigh. Because the word "eagle" isn't "symbolic" for a plane. John had no concept of what a plane was so he was simply describing it as best as he could, just what it looked like to his 1st century understanding. The same can be said for the many time he used the word "stars" They are never...
  6. Trekson

    TODAY IS NOT GOD'S GATHERING OF ISRAEL

    There is more than one great city. The great city "where the Lord was crucified" is definitely not the same great city "which reigneth over the kings of the earth". Jerusalem has "never" even come close to that. Many times, nations are known by the cities within them. Babylon wasn't a nation, it...
  7. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    You made several comments but I'll touch on a few of the points. Many of those that don't understand true dispensationalism seem to errantly believe that the NT erases all the OT prophecies and that's just not true. To get the true prophetic narrative one has to study both because many of the NT...
  8. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    The first triumphal entry was a type for the future one to come. It wasn't that triumphant if the same people that welcomed Him in thru the eastern gate, turned a around and had him crucified just a few days later. The historical orthodox church was flat out wrong because Dan. 9:24-27 is "not" a...
  9. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    Ezekiel 40–48 Detailed temple design, restored worship, River of Life Isaiah 2:2–4; 56:6–8; 60:7,13 Temple as global worship center, house of prayer for all nations Micah 4:1–4 Peace and instruction from the temple Zechariah 6:12–15; 14:16–21 Messiah builds temple...
  10. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Both for different agendas but they will be in Christ, too.
  11. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    Yes, Christ is the seed, we are the flock and built together as a "spiritual" temple. However, that doesn't eliminate the reality that Christ will establish His physical throne "on" earth, in "Jerusalem", as prophesied. The throne most likely will be in a temple/church, but no sacrifices will be...
  12. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Get back to me when you learn the difference between spiritual Israel and physical Israel.
  13. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    Your Quote: Revelation 12 speaks about the devil going to war against the woman after he was cast out of heaven, and then after the earth had "swallowed the flood the devil sent against the woman" - which is symbolic of something - turning his attention to "the rest of her seed, who keep the...
  14. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    In Matthew 23:39 Jesus is prophesying about Israel and the true triumphal entry into Jerusalem, post Armageddon, fulfilling the last three goals of Dan. 9:24. I agree about vs. 38. I also agree that the ToJT will culminate in the context of the 70th week but it will be before Christ's 2nd...
  15. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    There is that pesky word "until" in Rom. 11:25 which makes a big change in the narrative. One has to look at the whole of prophecy to see where a particular prophecy might have it's place.
  16. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    Christ was speaking of Himself, the next verse says that.
  17. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    That won't change but what is so hard about believing there will come a time when the nation of Israel will consist of christians? It's been God's plan from the beginning. The time of gentiles being grafted in has an end date.
  18. Trekson

    The Third Woe

    I tried to copy it but it wasn't allowed.
  19. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    That is true for today but Jesus tells a different story about tomorrow. The day when Matt. 23:39 will be fulfilled by the nation of Israel.