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I never said the debate is over “some” What I meant is that the phrase “and I saw” does not automatically signal a reset in the vision or a shift to a different timeline. Instead it often signals what’s next chronologically. Do you disagree that all the “and I saw” phrases in revelation 6 are...

lol. I know, I know. Let’s try with different example, as you still don’t seem to be understanding what I am saying. Take the Parable of the Wedding Feast. Within the narrative of the parable itself - and before we begin interpreting its symbolism - no one is brought into the wedding hall...

Ok, I’ll try this again. My theological interpretation, and yours, is irrelevant to the point I’m making. I’m talking about the chronological sequence of the narrative itself, prior to any theological interpretation. The phrase “and I saw” (καὶ εἶδον) most commonly transitions John’s viewpoint...

The purpose of my argument is to demonstrate John’s consistent use of “and I saw” throughout revelation. Hypotheticals don’t address his consistent use. not necessarily, and no. These are apocalyptic visions, while the narrative is chronological, I don’t think that requires they be...

The transition to Revelation 12 does not depend on “and I saw” language, and actually uses a stronger visionary marker (“a great sign appeared”), so it cannot be used to argue that “I saw” disrupts chronological sequencing. Hypothetically inserting “and I saw” doesn’t address how John...

No, it’s not an assumption simply because it’s after. It’s based on John’s consistent use of “and i saw”. “And I saw” is not necessarily a hard boundary marker in Revelation. John uses it repeatedly to advance the narrative within existing vision sequences. For example, in Revelation 6, within...

I’ll take it into consideration I didn’t say “over”. I said opened. When the 7th seal is opened, there is silence in heaven, and then, the angels are given the 7 trumpets. So strictly from a narrative standpoint, the trumpets occur sequentially post the opening of the 6th seal and 7th seals...

I’m not asking about reasonable. I am asking where does revelation chronologically place the 7 trumpets? Chronologically, the trumpets are not given to the angels until after the 7th seal is opened: Revelation 8:1-2 1When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for...

I’m arguing against inconsistency, not necessarily my position. Let’s start with the revelation argument and work backward. Chronologically, The trumpets are given to the angels AFTER the 7th seal is opened. However, Davidpt “interprets” that the trumpets are actually parallel to seals. Are...

The argument seems to be TDOL occurs after or at the cosmic signs (Amos, revelation 6, and especially Matthew 24:29 - immediately after the tribulation, the sun will go dark, etc…), therefore, the beginning of the great tribulation cannot be a part of the day of the Lord, since the cosmic signs...

It’s according to majority of English translations translating genea as generation. It’s according to Strong’s concordance indexing genea as generation. It’s according to thayers lexicons defining genea in Matthew 24:34 as: “the whole multitude of men living at the same time: Matthew 24:34;”...

That’s fair enough

I would say I trust his word then. If Jesus said “this generation will not pass away until all these things happen”, then I believe it. No need to insert gaps. No need to change the definition of words. No need to ignore context, grammar, syntax, nor audience relevance.

I understand your point, but disagree as that is not the point of the exhortation. No, Jesus doesn’t state the purpose of the comparison as “everyone outside the ark will be killed at the coming of the Son of Man.” That conclusion is being imported into the analogy rather than drawn from its...

The flood destroying all flesh except Noah’s family is the very substance of the Genesis account. Jesus would not be pointing out anything new to the disciples by saying the flood “took them all away.” They already knew that was the outcome of the flood. That’s my point. What is interesting is...

We are, but obviously through different lenses. In vs 36-42, there is no exhortation about the flood being geographically global in scope. That is solely your additional interpretive inference based on your external framework (your lens). “So will it be with the coming of the son of man” is...

In genesis, the purpose of the flood was to wipe out humanity. Jesus is not “specifically pointing that out”. That’s literally just the story of the flood. What Jesus specifically points out is that they were eating, drinking, marrying, etc… when the flood took them away unaware. It is the...

You’re treating all of Matthew 24:36–25:46 as though its primary purpose is to provide additional descriptive details about the nature and scope of the coming of the Son of Man. But that is not how these passages function. The comparisons and parables from Matthew 24:36–25:13 are primarily...

It’s included in the Noah story, but that doesn’t mean that’s the main point of Jesus’ comparison. Jesus doesn’t say - “stay awake for it will come upon the whole earth under heaven”. the purpose is suddenness and unexpectedness. per vs 42 - stay awake because you do not know the day. Would...

The comparison’s point is made in vs 42 : “stay awake for you do not know the day” Jesus did NOT say “stay awake for it will come upon the whole earth under heaven.” Just because Jesus compared it to the suddenness and unexpectedness of the flood doesn’t require that he was comparing it to...