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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Matthew 24:1-34, contains a series of events leading up to the coming of the son of man and culminating in the words “this generation shall not pass away until all these things happen” the parables following these vs do not address everything within vs 1-34. The parables are primarily...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    But that’s not the purpose of the comparison. Vs 42 states the purpose of the comparison. It would be on thing if paul only said “God will repay those oppressing you at the revelation of Christ from heaven”, in 2 Thessalonians. Then I would agree, syntactically and grammatically, the...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    You say you don’t, but then you do. You’re importing 2 Peter 3’s description of cosmic dissolution and using it to redefine Matthew 24’s Noah analogy. But Matthew 24 NEVER states the purpose of the comparison is to define the scope of judgment. it uses Noah to illustrate suddenness and...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I never said I gave them less weight for simply being parables. I can’t help that you make illogical connections. The parables in Matthew 24:36–25:46 shift from the disciples’ questions at the beginning of the chapter to exhortations about how believers should live while waiting. They...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I agree that Matthew, Mark, and Luke should be read together. What I disagree with is using a parallel account to replace the immediate context of the passage being interpreted. The first question should always be: What does Luke mean in Luke? Then Matthew can be brought in as supporting...
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    Christ has already returned ?

    I suggest you do research on how a concordance is actually used. Strong’s concordance indexes genea as generation in Matthew 24:34 . See link from strongs concordance online from blue letter Bible : (Genesis 1:1 (KJV)) Do you agree with Strong’s decision to index genea as generation in...
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    Christ has already returned ?

    Strong’s Concordance is an exhaustive index to the words of the King James Version (KJV). Strong’s definitions are not comprehensive meanings but “glosses” - brief one or two word meanings primarily intended to help the user locate where the KJV translates said word into English. Looking at...
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    Christ has already returned ?

    I can’t find any lexical sources that define “genea” as race in the context of Matthew 24:34. What lexical source are you using to support that definition?
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Nice. I’m glad that’s all cleared up :D
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    Christ has already returned ?

    the simplest and most natural reading of the olivet discourse presents the the son of man coming on the clouds within Jesus’ first century audience. “This generation will not pass away until all these things occur”
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Ok, so it’s not my opinion? Typo- coming, singular.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    It’s my opinion that Paul exhorts them not to be deceived, despite Paul exhorting them not to be deceived? “Let no one deceive you in any way” If you mean, they could be concerned or confused the day of the Lord already came, and they were still being persecuted, I can definitely agree with...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Huh? Not surprised another strawman. I never said parables can't be used for doctrine. I said I view these parables through the lens of Matthew 24:4-34. I said Christ shifts his mode of instruction in Matthew 24:35–25:46 to comparisons and parables that build on what he has already described...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Well, γῆ (earth) does have those different meanings, and context determines which lexical meaning is intended, whether soil, land, country, region, territory, or earth as opposed to sky. Are you saying you don't buy this? Or are you saying you understand this, but don't buy that γῆ means...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    It's annoying when attempted counter arguments are irrelevant. Again, you are misrepresenting my argument. Hebrews is NOT pseudepigraphy, while 2 Peter IS considered pseudepigraphy by the majority of scholarly consensus. I don't reject 2 Peter's eschatology solely because the author is...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I’ll try to make this simpler. The Greek word γῆ (gē) does NOT automatically mean the entire globe in every context. It can refer to soil, land, a country, a territory, a region, or the earth more broadly, often in contrast to heaven or the sky. In Luke 21:35, Jesus says the event will come...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Paul says “don’t let anyone deceive you” it’s more than just confusion or distress. No idea what you mean here. The chief concern being addressed in 2 Thessalonians 2 was not persecution.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I did. Did you not read what I said. My eschatological framework is built on Matthew 24:4-34 (and its parallel accounts) containing no lexical, grammatical, nor contextual evidence for a delay in the parousia beyond Jesus’ generation. I also said I read any other eschatological passages through...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Depends on what word (ge or oikoumene) is being used and in what context it’s being used in. Oikoumenē usually refers to the inhabited or civilized world as a human sphere of reference, especially the Greco-Roman world, while gē is more flexible and can mean land, region, or earth depending on...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    When I say Matthew 24:4-34, you can go ahead and assume that includes the parallel accounts. My original argument did - 2 Peter’s parousia expectancy changed from 1 Peter, and also contradicts Matthew 24:4-34. You created multiple sub arguments, which can often create confusion as to...