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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Speaking of something like that. Let's consider this scenario. There is a ship out at sea. It catches fire and the fire is out of control and humanly impossible to put out at this point. The fire has already destoyed any and all life preservers, lifeboats, etc. Everyone still alive aboard the...
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    Will a Third Temple Be Rebuilt?

    Is it then your opinion, since it's not clear to me here what your view is, that Rv 6:16-17 is involving great tribulation rather than the DOTL which followss great tribulation? In my view the 5th seal is what involves great tribulation, and that it involves satan's great wrath, and the 6th seal...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Some of this is a repeat of what I said in previous post. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne Notice what Jesus doesn’t say--- He does not say---Everyone who initially believes now sits with Me, regardless of what happens afterward. He explicitly conditions the...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. What did Jesus say here? A) or B) below? A) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne B) To him that overcometh NOT...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    To be honest with you I wish it was like it was between you and I when we were having exchanges during our time at BF. I don't ever recall it getting out of hand like this between us during that period of time. Granted, there were times where it got out of hand when involving @WPM. But I don't...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    It's too bad you can't even do simple basic 3rd grade math. Even 3rd graders likely know you can't fit a literal 3.5 year period into a period involving 490 days. 42 months = 1260 days. 770 more days than 490 days. Yet you would have us believe that these 1260 days take place during these...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Marty, I'm trying to do better via my exchanges with you. So hopefully you do think I'm addressing your arguments at times rather than never addressing them at all. The truth is I appreciate having exchanges with you, regardless we don't see eye to eye on most of these things. When having...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Expand on this a bit more if you would, since there is a chance we might have some common ground here. I for sure take verses 16-19 to be involving the NJ, but maybe not in the sense you do. I take it to mean after the NJ has literally descended out of heaven, thus Revelation 21-22, and that I'm...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    In my view even when Christ leaves heaven He is still technically sitting on the right hand of the Father, thus on the right hand of power, until the GWTJ has been completed. Assuming there are a thousand years after He returns, plus the fact He continues to sit on the right hand of power until...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I did not say you did. What I meant got lost in the unfortunate conflation I caused by bringing you up. I was basically applying that to @Marty fox in this case, not you. Then when I mentioned you I was not including you yet was including you in regards to other portions of Zecharian 14, such as...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    So? What does the DOTL in the future have to do with the past 2000 years ago? I'm saying that when it comes to the phrase 'in that day', that we can identify the era of time meant via the context and verses surrounding it. For example, the DOTL. There is only one DOTL in the future and it...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Consider the following, for example. Psalms 110:1 <<A Psalm of David.>> The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. What did the NT eventually reveal about this prophecy? Is it not the following? The NT reveals the 'my Lord' is meaning...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Where in the NT does it ever say that what happened in 70 AD it was via the DOTL that comes as a thief in the night(thus 1 Thessalonians 5:3, 2 Peter 3:10)?
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    How am I not adressing what you say by me refuting what you say via what I say? In any situation, assuming someone is right, the one that is right obviously trumps any arguments by the one that is wrong. For example. 2 people are arguing what 2 + 2 equals. One insists it equals 4 the other...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Have you already forgotten about the analogy I used earlier on pertaining to the history of the USA? Think outside the box. That analogy doesn't equal your misrepresentation of my view. Quit using me as a scapegoat for someone being unreasonable and not being able to be reasoned with. When in...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Woa, hold your horses there, partner. I am making no such claim. Not even remotely. There is only one day of the Lord event in the future, not multiple ones instead. Nor is there one continuous one expanding multiple millennia. Which then obviously means that the same DOTL event meant in...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    As to your theory concerning Zechariah 14 over all, it is simply not legit. Not according to me, but according to the texts involved. There is a logical flow to Zechariah 14 and some of you have decided to throw a monkey wrench into it. Nothing in Zechariah 14 is meaning before His ascension...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    That's assuming Jesus returns sometime within in our lifetime, which may or may not be the case. But if He does, that basically equals 2000 years from His ascension to His return. Surely, His return is not still hundreds of years away or something. Especially the way this world continues to...
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    Will a Third Temple Be Rebuilt?

    For all we know, Jesus could return within the next 5 years. Therefore, you would think if a literal rebuilt temple is involved before He can return, that someone would have rebuilt it by now. There has been talk of rebuilding the temple for decades now.
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I'm being consistent, though. Just look at post #313 I just posted.