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Great tribulation is only 3.5 years not 7 years. Maybe you are conflating the 70th week of Daniel per your view? Assuming the 70th week is still future, the first half of it is not even involving great tribulation. Great tribulation is meaning after the middle of the week if the 70th week is...

Of course the prophets spoke of two comings in some of their prophecies though they may not have realized at the time, two comings are meant. But since the Holy Spirit was speaking through them, it would be absurd that the Holy Spirit, during when He was prophesying through them, that even He...

Let's use the birth of Christ as a starting point. Post His birth the NT only knows of one DOTL in the future, and that it comes as a thief in the night. And that it has not arrived yet, in any sense. Since the topic of this thread is Zechariah 14, that obviously means, since everything in...

You are not thinking outside of the box. Perspective is relevant here. Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he...

Only Luke 17 records both Noah and Lot as examples. Matthew 24 only uses Noah as an example. And that you said both Noah and Lot. And that I'm saying that the Lot example is not meaning at the end of great tribulation. It is meaning at the beginning of great tribulation. What then is the issue...

Did you not read my post in it's entirety then? Did I not paste Luke 17:31-33 in my reply? And did I not say that Luke 17:31-33 does not support a 2nd coming scenario, then submitted reasons why? I might be post trib, but I'm not arguing that Luke 17:31-33 supports a 2nd coming. I'm arguing...

I'm not Pretrib myself, I'm post trib, yet, clearly, per Luke 17, no way is the 2nd coming after great tribulation in view. The following proves it. Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in...

Some posts I haven't even read yet let alone able to address them. These days I have other things on my mind sometimes. For one, I'm worried about my wife. Then I come here with the stress of that already having to deal with, then trying to focus on everything in here at the same time. I'm not...

and the earth standing out of water and in the water---what are you connecting that with? Genesis 1:2 or the flood in Noah's day?

When natural disasters happen these days on a big scale, for example, the major floods in New Orleans and Houston in the past, how many times do you recall, not a problem that GOD could not deal with? Humans deal with cleaning those messes up not God, though. As a matter of fact, me being 68...

When did I say I did not believe what the Bible recorded about the flood? I'm just asking some logical questions that come to mind. My view is that the flood was global and wiped out everything on the planet except for 8 ppl and the animals on the ark. Is there then a law against me wondering...

Regardless whether it was global or regional, how should we assume the mass cleanup of human and animal remains were dealt with after the flood waters dried up on the planet following Noah's flood? And if only 8 people remained, how did they manage such a massive cleanup? A planet-wide die-off...

It's simply a subject I don't have a whole lot of interest in. I couldn't care less about the Calvinist vs whatever debate. That kind of stuff bores me. There are other things that bore me as well, such as ancient history and what took place during this era of time, during that era of time, so...

I'm pretty certain that I don't understand those things in the manner you do. I'm probably more aligned with @Spiritual Israelite on this matter. And if you are already familiar with his stance on it, his stance would basically be my stance as well. And if you disagree with his stance on it, you...

Where did I ever tell Marty to begin with that I was going to do those things? The context had to do with me not addressing his posts period, per his perspective, and not the manner in which I address something in general. I told him I would try to do better in regards to addressing his...

For some reason I thought I was responding to @Spiritual Israelite and a post he had addressed to me. But then turned out I was responding to you instead. One of those days, I guess. The point being, I agree with @Spiritual Israelite reading of Romans 11 but I'm not certain i agree with your...

You act as if no one has ever said to someone else before, for example, you are playing gymnastics with scripture and that you shouldn't do that. Or, maybe you should take your Amil glasses off or your Premil glasses off first, then try looking at these same Scriptures again. I don't recall...

Had to delete this post. I thought I was responding to someone else for some reason.

IOW, when someone is intitially saved they are never actually given the opportunity to be saved to begin with if they were to fall away later? IOW, believing on and accepting Christ as their Lord does not equal salvation in some cases, say 20 years later this same person falls away for whatever...

Decided to delete this post altogether. It was in bad taste per my part.