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I agree only worship God, but the issue is that just because the translation says in Hebrews 1:6, “Let all God’s angels worship Him.” is not proof that Jesus was being worshipped in the same sense God is commanded to be worshipped. Let's dig a little deeper and just vet the translation for...

No, just one God, the Father. That's plausbile. There are diffident nuances to how the communication is described. We could call out to each other without praying, for example. I agree. There is no trinity either in the Bible or in reality.

It may help if you can explain your perspective a little better. If I may ask, why do you feel that the angels worshipping Jesus at his birth is an instruction that extends to the church? Is it because it's Jesus or if anyone in the Bible is worshipped then you see that as an instruction for the...

The complete absence of such an instruction to pray to Jesus becomes meaningful evidence in and of itself. Evidence is not only what is present, it's also what one would reasonably expect to be present. Something as important as prayer is in Christianity, lacking any instruction on praying to...

Angels being directed by God to worship a human at the birth of Jesus isn't the same thing as directing the angels to worship God nor is it a teaching for Christians in general to worship Jesus.

Do you believe Jesus is the Father? How do you define "Godhead?" Maybe you're reading the wrong translation? Other's write it differently. Isaiah 9 Brenton's Septuagint Translation 6For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is...

I'm referring to the Greek manuscripts that the Bible is translated into English from. There is no mention of God there in that particular verse.

That doesn't say which Lord Paul was referring to. So you have not provided an example of "praying to Jesus." Yes, but who else is Lord (Matthew 11:26, Acts 17:24,25)? The Father is the Lord of heaven and earth and the Sovereign Lord (Acts 4:23-31) and the Lord. Based on all of the precedent of...

Acts 7:59 doesn't contain the word "God" in the original manuscript. That was an addition to the English translation. May I ask why you think calling out to someone means it's a prayer?

Then the reverse is true. You have in no way shape, or form, proven that there is any instruction to pray to Jesus in the Bible. John 16:23 comes later in the Biblical timeline. So why did Jesus state to not ask him for anything? You're reading too far into the text. If you are attempting to...

No, people who are not God are not worshipped as God, regardless of whether or not they are bowed to. Let's just look at the verses you provided. Hebrews 1:3 - a presentation of God isn't God. You didn't quote the whole verse, but the rest of it says "He sat down at the right hand of the...

Yeah I was gonna say there is good evidence it was actually a mixed audience. So I agree with it when you put it that way.

I mean, worshipping Jesus in context of Hebrews 1:6 is not an address or instruction to Christians to worship Jesus, but there is plenty of evidence the book of Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians, meaning Hebrews was written to people who already knew who Christ is.

The Lord in this passage is not explicitly identified as Jesus. Addressing Jesus is never how Paul prayed. The following verses all depict Paul addressing God the Father. Ephesians 3:14–21, Ephesians 1:16–17, Philippians 1:3–11, Colossians 1:3–12, Romans 1:8–10, Romans 15:5–6, Romans 15:13, 2...

In Matthew 6:9, Jesus said pray προσεύχεσθε (proseuchesthe) like this: "Our Father in heaven..." Yet no one ever said give προσεύχεσθε (proseuchesthe) to Jesus. John 4:23 says "the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth." But no one ever says the true worshippers will...

I found something I agree with you about. So why does no one in the Bible ever teach others to pray to Jesus or worship Jesus? See what I am getting at? It's never directly taught. It would very strange, if Jesus were God, that the book central to the Christian faith be deafeningly silent on the...

I have seen very few people engage the actual argument in this thread, which is fine, but mainly it's been denials, changing the subject, redefining terms, appealing to mystery, quoting unrelated verses, ad hominem, etc. So let's bring this back to engaging the actual argument. Do you believe...

In this usage you are referring to from Meriam-Webster, pray is essentially equivalent to "please", "I beg you," or "I entreat you," but it does not refer to an act of religious prayer. That kind of talking, i.e., "I pray you...", "Pray be careful...", "Pray tell me..." etc is not the kind of...

Hi, I read your comment and I would like to add that when you discover the verse that instructs the church to worship Jesus, please let me know. Let's just make sure that its non-existence stays in the foreground of our thoughts while we look at the rest of what you said. Firstly, the writer of...

That isn't what I said, but it seems that is what you think or feel. Don't shut those thoughts out or ignore them. Let's see who Jesus really is and honor him for the ways the Bible presents him. You seem to show awareness that Jesus saying "In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly...