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  1. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Then why didn't you do that long ago? I mean I have suggested it many times... <chuckles> But alas... And I'm sure there will be no change... <sigh> How long, oh Lord? <chuckles> This is the first time you've said that. Yeah, that would be great. I mean yes, I would rather us come to...
  2. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Of course. I accepted long ago accepted your disagreement... thus my repeated entreaties to agree to disagree. But you just can't do that... <chuckles> I know. <smile> Yes. Yes you were. <chuckles> Whether the receiver catches it or not is irrelevant as long as it is not fumbled... it's...
  3. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    @Spiritual Israelite Hey I just got back from my daily run and thought I’d explain in little more detail my football analogy. Or parable… <smile> Yeah, so… <smile> …God is obviously the: Coach Who puts you in (and keeps you in) the game Kicker/Punter Who kicks you the ball Quarterback Who...
  4. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You actually "misrepresent" yourself, really, SI. I mean that's the very problem, and don't even realize it. In addition to making at least some of God's words into the opposite of what they are. But that... at least the things I pointed out... you can't possibly not realize. But whether you...
  5. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..." ~ "The Boxer," Simon and Garfunkel, 1968 <chuckles> Grace and peace to you both.
  6. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    <chuckles> Yeah, let's hear 'em, Ironhead. <smile> Great! Me, too. So... how did they get there? How did the Word, inerrant and infallible as It is, get in your heart? <smile> Who softened your heart so that you would receive it (with meekness, as James [1:21] says)? And you might...
  7. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Rrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight................ <smile> Right back atcha. I mean yeah, practice what you preach... Grace and peace to you, David.
  8. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    The apostles, yes, but that's beside the point. In post 548: I'm not sure why you said "that does not mean..." and following, as that was sort of a non sequitur... I mean yeah, baptism of the Holy Spirit was not something different then than it is still today, but no matter. You agreed. And...
  9. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Continued from above (2 of 2)... Ohhhhh... don't cut off the very next verse! <smile> Yeah, so... verbatim... "to all who did receive Him, who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man...
  10. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Okay, cool. It wasn't. No matter. Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest... Nope. You agreed with me regarding what happened at Pentecost being a unique, once-for-all event in salvation history that inaugurated the New Covenant church. So corporate in that respect...
  11. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Continued from above (2 of 2)... Now this is absolutely true. Not just "involves"... <chuckles> No one anywhere in the Bible ~ Moses, or Ezekiel, or Paul, or Peter... or Jesus... ~ ever indicates in any way that this happens as a result of repentance and/or belief and/or faith. Whenever this...
  12. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    LOL! Once, in all the... "conversations" we've had, which are many. And as I said then, it was not due to what you had said, the reasoning that you gave. And surely you know that, and so you know the accusation you make here is false, which means, necessarily, that this is an outright lie...
  13. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    We disagree, of course… what a surprise, right? <smile> What you say is fair enough, but what I would say, particularly about Acts 1:5 is, Pentecost was a unique, once-for-all event in salvation history that inaugurated the New Covenant church. The baptism Jesus is talking about in Acts 1:5 is...
  14. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    So you think. Yeah, that's cool. Strange how I quoted some of Jesus's exact words and you still deny them, but okay. Hmmm, well at least here you're talking about baptism by the Holy Spirit happening to individuals, so yeah, I like that. But I would turn that around and say that those who...
  15. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    In a certain sense, yes. But Eve as not the primary person at fault and held accountable by God. But yes, all of creation became fallen (full of sin and subject to death) and in need of redemption. <chuckles> <sigh> I mean, what you say here raises several questions in my mind. I don't...
  16. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, Whom He appointed the heir of all things, through Whom also He created the world." (Hebrews 1:1-2). As we all know, this was written over two thousand...
  17. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    And we have tribulation now, in this life, just as Jesus said we would in John 16:33... "I have said these things to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world." The time of tribulation is not yet to come, it is now...
  18. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Not so much, no. The record is clear. And I'm far from the only one who has, um... endured you. Grace and peace to you.
  19. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Agree. Absolutely. This is why we are called His elect. I don't believe anything God does is random, but it can sure look like that to us. Foreknowledge... so, yes, as Paul says in Romans 8, "those whom He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, in order that He...
  20. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Far, far, FAR more than you, We are sinners after all, and human grace certainly falls short of God's. But still, any at all would have been far more than you. Buddy. Grace and peace to you.