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You said, "mass, global destruction." Not my words... yours. Maybe you should have defined "mass, global destruction." Whatever. No need. Grace and peace.

Not really... I just commented. It did seem to be what you were insinuating, though. I mean, you did say (quoting), "But, 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 describe mass, global destruction occurring when the day of the Lord arrives unexpectedly..." But my comment was not directed at...

Regarding both 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, destruction or annihilation of the earth or any of creation is taught in neither passage, nor is creation of a new earth/universe. There has been ~ and of course will always be, until the actual event ~ much debate on this, but what is...

I agree, but that still does not necessarily mean that (in order) Jesus's return and final defeat of Satan, the final Judgment and sending away of unbelievers into that judgment, and the consummation of God's Kingdom and the beginning of the New Heaven and New Earth will take place over the...

We, William, we are that temple. We are also called a city, the City of God. And God is building it now. See what Paul says in Ephesians 2:19-22... "So then (Gentiles) are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God...

In your opinion. Yes, I get that. I think you're... overthinking things, claninja. And maybe missing what Paul is saying to us, by extension. Okay, well, maybe you should look into it. In the bigger picture... <smile> ...the Christians in Thessalonica were enduring much persecution of...

Now... what was that that... well, somebody... <smile> ...was saying about pointless discussions/quarrels...?

Yes, I understand, but why do you not think it possible that some had just told them it had already happened and they were just confused and/or distressed? Okay. I understand. <smile> I think, claninja, you're over-thinking all of this. As I said above, the chief concern of the...

Okay, fine. <smile> As Christians, claninja, they believed in Jesus and that He was going to return... or that he already had returned and they had missed it, which some had apparently been telling them and they were concerned that it was true. RIght, which is what I said. Great! We agree...

No, a true Jew of God’s Israel is anyone, regardless of ethnicity, who has been born again of the Spirit. Paul’s use of the word translated to the English ‘merely’ is in reference to Jewish ethnicity and specifically indicates that just because… merely because one is Jewish outwardly does not...

Well, yes, actually, so who is really a Jew of God, Marilyn? Paul tells us: “For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not...

I would say most every conversation that happens in this and some other forums is pointless. And, the one going on between you and claninja in another current thread is yet another prime example of that... <smile> Grace and peace to you, SI.

Right. As I said several posts ago. Um... okay. <smile> Grace and peace to you.

Okay, but it's all speculation, which was my point... part of it anyway. Okay, but we cannot know their "assumptions." Therefore... <smile> ...continuing to go back and forth about it is... well, frivolous, really. Grace and peace to you.

No, I do, but why they were concerned about that is the question. Your whole "global catastrophe" notion is... misconceived, I guess... really non sequitur. Many, if not all, in the Thessalonian church had accepted the strange claim that "the day of the Lord has come." For what reason we do...

As do you. <eye roll> Grace and peace to you, Scott. I don't. Regarding what you say, I do sometimes make evident the hopefully unintended implications of what you do say. Again, right back atcha. I did not; and part of my point was that many on this board often do, which is silly, and...

Well, I agree on 1 Thessalonians 4, but 2 Thessalonians 2 not so much. I think you are misunderstanding Paul regarding the latter. Considered by some, yes. And... "scholars"... <chuckles> Yeah, there are all kinds of, um, smart folks out there... <smile> There are parts of it that are...

Should be, yes, I agree. Well good; it seemed to be at least somewhat what you were saying... or the effect of what you were saying, anyway. If unintended, then good. But that's been part of the problem in this exchange, your... Well, I'm not going to say your "lack of communication skills,"...

Right back atcha, Scott. Again, right back atcha. Yet again, right back atcha, Scott. Oh, so God lies, at least sometimes? I mean, you know, get behind me, Satan… It does. But sometimes… depending on the context… it’s clearly referring to all of a lesser potion than the whole. And so it is...

No, I think you did that... or at least seemed to. If you agree with me that those who are called by God, by His Spirit, is not all flesh in the sense of everyone, then great. I will say this, that there is a general call of Scripture goes out to all people, bar none, to repent and believe on...