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Sure, "salvation" is by grace through faith alone, not our own good deeds--I agree--however, I think we don't define "salvation" the same way. I think Paul defines it by the precedents that went before us : the Jews were "saved" out of Egypt, by the blood of lambs (foreshadowing Christ's blood...

If everything you're saying is true, Paul would have no reason to tell Timothy what he is telling him--he would assume Timothy had already believed and forever had eternal life. I agree that God has given "us" eternal life, and that "we" can know "we" have it--specifically, the life is located...

Jesus's Name is "God Is Our Righteousness". Abiding in Him ("if that which you heard from the beginning abides in you"), it seems, God Himself is our righteousness. Therefore, I disagree that God's righteousness is imputed to us. That said, where we differ is the idea that abiding in Him is a...

Language barrier

We have a language barrier.

You probably speak my language better than I speak yours, so I'm not putting you down, but I wish this was a little clearer. I already explained why I can't conceive of serving WITHOUT fear (not without love but also with fear) : that's what the words I read inspire in me.

Paul already knows Timothy already believed, so your take doesn't fit. The text says doing good deeds is sowing to the spirit, you say that that isn't true. Who should Christians believe?

I see lots of threats in the Bible.

Yet we have the precedent that, with God, a gift that is given must also be possessed. These are two separate things--the gift being given by the Giver, and the gift being possessed by the receiver. Numbers 33:53And you shall take possession of the land and settle in it, for I have given the...

Yeah, I agree with this, but that isn't to say that I understand Christianity, either. I used to do everything I was convicted to do, believing I'd go to hell if I didn't obey, and, once, after I had gone to preach on the corner of the street (I was convicted to do so), God told me I was trying...

Please be more concise. I don't know what you're saying. Ro 7:1 distinguishes Jewish believers as knowing the Law--meaning Paul knows Gentile believers don't know the Law. Yes, they do the Law--this all the more proves Ro 3:31 and 8:4, etc, etc, that being obedient to Grace makes you fulfill...

Not that I think the guy is "accursed", preaching a "false Gospel"--it seems God is with people such as profess things he professes, though I don't understand how--but I also have experienced much ignorance of Scripture, infidelity to Scripture, and seemingly intentional dismissal of Scripture...

I actually agree that the Gospel is in the Torah, and I did discuss it a little, I think (unless that was another, similar, thread), but I still haven't watched the intro video presentation, because I wasn't interacting with it directly, but was interacting with another user who was denying the...

I thought this thread was going to be on the topic of the Gospel being in the Torah; we are doing a really good job of not keeping on topic. I only mention it because threads seem to tend to devolve into the conversation we're having; then, every thread becomes the same conversation...

I'm not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, because this is basically what I said, yet you seem to want to disagree.

Do you think it is helpful, as long as we're being careful, and nuanced, to consider that Paul also, although he says, "Purge out the old leaven, for you are unleavened" (affirming a "positional", "in Christ", reality), he also warns them, in answer to their unrighteous behavior, sin, "do not be...

We've done an admirable job of veering from the topic of the thread. lol

Yes, we will be transformed by the renewing of our minds--they overcame by the blood of the Lamb, the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death (acknowledging and confessing the truth makes us leave the old life behind).

Right, that's what people mean when they say "positional" (not that I use the word, I just use it to relate to those who use it, or who I think use it)--they are in Christ, that is their "position".

Transformed my life, saved from 7 straight years of nightly unspeakably terrifying satanic visitations, so I'm sticking with it, irrespective ANY other opinion.