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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    There is no basis that “ge” is required to be understood as the entire earth in Matthew 24:30 just because “ge” is also found in Matthew 25:35. Proximity to the same word and broader context are not the sole means by which a word is to be understood. It’s why lexicons omit Matthew 24:30 from...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    No, Strongs CONCORDANCE doesn’t. You seem to be confusing a concordance with a lexicon. Strongs concordance provides simple glosses for the word known as “Strongs definitions”, and where these glosses are found in the Bible. Basically, it tells us all the English words that the Greek word was...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Strong’s is mainly a concordance listing all the possible meanings and translations of a word in the KJV, and should not be relied upon solely as lexicon or dictionary because it doesn’t provide the usage or full definition within in a specific context. In other words, It’s inappropriate to...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    The greek word for generation is genea, and it does not mean what you are proposing. from thayer's greek lexicon: 3. the whole multitude of men living at the same time: Matthew 24:34;
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Where are you getting your info from? For one, I've never heard of an "infinitive verb phrase". Also, adjectives modify nouns and pronouns........so I'm not understanding your argument that it modifies a "verb phrase".......... Additionally, "to rise from the dead" contains NO verbs in the...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    I’m not so sure any of this is right. “Rise from the dead” is not a verb, it’s a noun in the Greek . Neither the noun “rise from the dead” nor the verb “to shew” match in case, number, and gender with the adjective “first”. So first wouldn’t be modifying either of those. “Adjectives...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    G3778 is a proximal demonstrative pronoun. This specific pronoun refers to something near that was already known or mentioned. It doesn’t necessarily mean something near in space to the speaker like G3592. In other words, “this” generation likely refers to what was previously mentioned or...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Sharing the same broader context doesn’t force a word to carry the same meaning. Greek usage depends heavily on the immediate sentence-level semantic clues, not merely the general topic of the passage. In Matthew 24:35, the contrast between ‘heaven’ and ‘earth’ makes the broader meaning more...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    “Same context” is not a requirement that words like γῆ, which have multiple meanings, must then have the same usage simply due to proximity. γῆ in Matthew 24:30 doesn’t contain any extra clues to require it to be understood in a broader sense, like acts 1:8 does. As to Matthew 24:35, I...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Matthew 24:35 is unrelated to my point. γῆ has different meanings in different settings. Matthew 24:35 is not vs 30. focus on vs 30. Then wherever he descends from according to the literal interpretation of that passage.......... Practically speaking, all the people's of the earth cannot see...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Red herring. Whatever conversation (or lack there of) they had during their journey from the temple to the mount is irrelevant to the narrative, since its NOT recorded. Whatever amount of time passed between vs 2 and 3 is irrelevant to the narrative. GRAMMATICALLY, the antecedent of "when will...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    “misrepresenting scripture” says the person who argues the antecedent of vs 3 refers to an unknown conversation Jesus had with the disciples on their journey from the temple to the mount……….how ironic. Vs 4 literally begins the olivet discourse, which starts with “Jesus answered them”. The...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    I would argue that the surrounding language, not simple repetition, determines the meaning of γῆ. In verse 35, γῆ appears alongside “heaven,” which naturally suggests a broader sense. a. “The earth as opposed to the heavens” — Matthew 5:18; 5:35; 6:10; 16:19; 18:18; 24:35 (Thayer’s Lexicon)...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Jesus clearly said the temple would be destroyed in vs 2. Then in vs 3 the apostles ask “when”. In vs 4, “Jesus answered them”. That’s not an objective fact, though. For example, If I said, “This house is going to be torn down,” and you asked, “When?” and I answered, “First we have to...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    I guess I'm not really sure how literally every single tribe around the whole entire earth would see Jesus coming on the clouds over the land of Jerusalem.
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Always doesnt mean never . You’re introducing a red herring and speculation. Whether other conversations happened during the walk is irrelevant to the narrative Matthew actually records. Grammatically, the antecedent of “these things” (ταῦτα) in Matthew 24:3 is Jesus’ statement in verse 2 —...
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    IF YOU THINK MATTHEW 24:29-30 WAS FULFILLED IN 70AD PLEASE SHOW ME WHY

    While Thayer's Lexicon defines Matthew 24:34's usage of genea to mean "the whole multitude of men living at the same time", I'm not really sure where you are getting genea to mean age as in "a thousand years", since Thayer's Lexicon defines genea as age to mean " an age (i. e. the time...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    My hope is that all people will be in God's kingdom
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Your counter argument overlooks the pronoun in Matthew 24:3 3As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things (ταῦτα) be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” Grammatically, these things (ταῦτα)...