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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Exactly. He has has ready made responses in a script, but as soon as you get him off script, he doesn't know what to do. You said he reminds you of pretribs with his avoidance and ad hominen attacks and I couldn't agree more. In terms of him not knowing what to do when things go off script...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Look in the mirror, hypocrite. Which of us is falsely presenting the other's views like you did when you called WPM a preterist, which he is not? That would be you. That is what trolls do. Christians rebuke other Christians when they blatantly twist scripture as you do. We are called to rebuke...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    LOL. You are the one trolling here. As if your whining and trolling are reflective of Christian behavior? By the way, rebuking people like you for blatant false teaching is very Christian. You are accusing someone of being a preterist just because of interpreting one passage of the Olivet...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I'm losing count of how many things you are wrong about! Seriously! You need to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7). You even have one particular thing you're wrong about that literally NO ONE could possibly agree with you about and that is your claim that the "great tribulation" that Jesus said...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    BECAUSE IT IS! HELLO? How can a long period of time come unexpectedly as a thief in the night? That's NONSENSE! The day Jesus returns in the future, which is the day of the Lord, will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night resulting in "SUDDEN DESTRUCTION" from which unbelievers "SHALL NOT...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    As usual, you are not addressing my argument at all. As Peter indicated in both Acts 2:16-21 and 2 Peter 3:3-13, the last days refer to the time period that leads up to the day of the Lord. A long time period cannot come unexpectedly as a thief in the night. The day of the Lord is the day Jesus...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    And? Joel 2 speaks of things that lead up to the day of the Lord which will be "a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness". Do you know why the day of the Lord is described that way? Because it's the day that is coming in the future when Jesus will come as a thief in...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You're missing the context of the passage. It is speaking of the last days that had begun already back then and would lead up to the future day of the Lord that will come as a thief in the night bringing "sudden destruction" by fire upon those in spiritual darkness from which "they shall not...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You have done nothing to show that Joel 2 is the start of the day of the Lord period of time. Other scriptures say that the day of the Lord will arrive when Jesus comes as a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12). You need to interpret Joel 2 in such a way that doesn't contradict...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    5. Revelation: The New Jerusalem.

    We ARE told when. It very clearly shows all people, saved and lost (called sheep and goats) being gathered before Jesus AT THE SAME TIME when He comes with His angels (Matthew 25:31). That is when the judgment occurs. Very simple.
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Here's another good one... This is one of the things that is just so dumb about these debates. You Calvinists think that you are the only ones who give God the glory. As if my belief that people are required to humble themselves and admit that they are complete losers and sinners who can't...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Time to move on from this nonsense.
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Why do you ask people questions that they've already answered? His answer to that question is within his post that you quoted.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I'm just going to assume that is what he's doing at this point and it's something I can't understand. This forum is not a place for playing games. Bible doctrine is serious business. He asked me the following question after I have repeatedly shown him where in the Bible that I believe the wrath...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    LOL! Why haven't you? Probably for similar reasons. Don't act like you're the only one who has wanted to just agree to disagree. We have done that sometimes, but then this subject seems to come up occasionally even though this is an eschatology forum and not a soteriology forum. Tell me again...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I'm just going to assume that you are playing games at this point. What do you think I've been showing you? Just read my previous posts. Matthew 24:21 and Revelation 2:22 speak of great tribulation in terms of God's wrath being carried out against unbelievers. How many times do I have to tell...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    What else is "wrath upon this people" in the context of "the days of vengeance" referring to except for the wrath of God? Vengeance is the Lord's, right? So, Luke 21:20-24 is talking about the days of God's vengeance and wrath against the Jews in Jerusalem. Matthew 24:15-22 is a parallel passage...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I'm convinced now that you're not even trying to see my point. How else to explain you missing it over and over and over again? What a colossal waste of time this is. Of course, Jesus was not trying to tell them what they would have already known. That is not my point at all and nothing I've...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    LOL. I have done that and you are the one who is trying to keep it going. I don't mind agreeing to disagree. We're not talking about the team, we're talking about the kick returner/receiver. Do you really think that I don't know what you're trying to say? I do and disagree with it. Okay? This...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    With all your pointless rhetoric aside, do you acknowledge that Luke 21:20-24 relates to what happened in 70 AD? If so, do you believe that passage is parallel to Matthew 24:15-22 and Mark 13:14-20? If not, why not? Keep in mind that I agree with you that Luke 21 does talk about the future...