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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    No, what's dumb is your argument that Satan was created evil despite scripture saying that everything God created is very good (Genesis 1:31). And, look at what you're doing here. You whine like a little baby that others are not acting like Christians and being rude and so on and that is exactly...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    How much thought and study have you given this? How do you interpret Zechariah 14:16-21 and the following passages... 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    5. Revelation: The New Jerusalem.

    So did I. Matthew 25:31-46 will take place when Jesus returns with His angels. Yes, it is. It includes Matthew 25:41 & 46. People are not going to be cast into everlasting fire on multiple occasions in the future.
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Yes, you are. You said "the effect of what you Arminians say is to diminish God's glory,". That is absolutely false and I explained why by showing how I see it. So, you are indeed making a strawman argument and I have to wonder why. Could it be because you are unable to make any other kind of...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Fine. Let's agree to disagree at this point. I have no interest in continuing this discussion when all we're going to do is repeat things we've already said. I have nothing to add to what I've already said.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Please don't say stupid things like this to me. I'm not saying otherwise. Read what I say CAREFULLY. I'm being clear, but you have to put in the effort to actually read what I say. No, it is not. It is pointing to all dead believers from all-time up until the fifth seal, which I believe is...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Yes, everyone believes that the result of the rapture is to be taken away from Christ's wrath. That would be called pre-wrath or pre-final wrath or pre-day of Christ's return wrath. Whatever you want to call it. You can call it pretrib if you define the trib as Christ's wrath on the day He...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Now, there's something we can agree on. Another thing we can agree on. That's two things! Awesome! We are best buddies now. And then you ruin it by calling me a liar. But you allow that it could just be self deception instead. How nice! You say after accusing me of lying. Whatever, buddy.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    What am I supposed to think when you say a reference to "the temple of God" refers to a future physical temple? Give me a break! Learn how to communicate more clearly! Don't blame me for your lack of communication skills. Neither Revelation 11:2 nor 2 Thessalonians 2:4 refer to some future FAKE...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Yes, I know. And, honestly, I don't care that you disagree. It doesn't say the great city where He received His death sentence, it says where He was actually crucified and scripture says that was outside of Jerusalem. How can you think that earthly Jerusalem could possibly be called the holy...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Imagine applying a verse that refers to wicked unbelievers to someone on this forum. That in itself is wicked, yet that's exactly what she did to us. I would never do that to anyone here. I would never try to apply any verse that refers to wicked unbelievers to any person on this forum. That's...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I don't know what you're talking about here. You are suggesting that Joel prophesied about two different future days of the Lord? Two different future comings of the Lord? Do you think we can trust the NT authors' (like Paul and Peter) understanding of the day of the Lord or not? They were...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Matthew 24:15-22, for one. There is no indication there whatsoever that it should be spiritualized rather than taken literally. Jesus had just been asked one question about when the temple buildings in Jerusalem would be destroyed and what He said in Matthew 24:15-22 (Mark 13:14-20, Luke...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    That is exactly what you're doing by falsely accusing him of lying and of being a preterist. Look in the mirror. Take the log out of your own eye.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Who is the one who has an interpretation of Revelation 2:22 that literally no one else has? How much more hypocritical can you get? You are the one acting as if the Holy Spirit only teaches you, not him. He does not claim to have an understanding of any scripture that no one else has like you do.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    This is a serious accusation, so tell me what he has lied about. Be specific. Otherwise, if you can't do so, then you need to repent of your own lie that you told here.
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    So, when He argues with preterists about their understanding of the rest of the Olivet Discourse and their interpretation of other scriptures like Revelation, he is defending the doctrine he is arguing against? LOL. You keep digging your hole deeper and deeper. Do you never tire of embarrassing...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    LOL. This is what you're saying in relation to having called him him a preterist. Even though he disagrees with most of how preterists interpret the Olivet Discourse and the book of Revelation, you want to insist on calling him a preterist, anyway. You try to act as if you are holier than...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Yes, he has, actually. Does the Holy Spirit guide you alone in your interpretation of Revelation 2:22 that you have all to yourself? Did the Holy Spirit decide to give the correct interpretation of that verse only to you and no one else in the world? You are the one belittling others when you...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I don't know what your point is here. The day of the Lord is the day Jesus will come in the future unexpectedly as a thief in the night which will bring "sudden destruction" upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3). Peter provided the added detail that the...