Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

[Spiritual Israelite]

I agree, and so does Peter as he uses Joel's prophesy as proof the day of the LORD the Old Covenant prophets foretell came at Pentecost with evidence of the Holy Spirit being poured out just as the prophet foretells He would be.

Acts 2:14-21 (KJV) But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I really don't understand how people can read these words and continue to argue that we are still waiting for the day of the LORD the prophets of Old foretell would come. We aren't looking and waiting for the Lord to come, since the advent of the cross, resurrection, and ascension we are looking and waiting for the last day of the Lord that shall come when Christ comes again.

You're missing the context of the passage. It is speaking of the last days that had begun already back then and would lead up to the future day of the Lord that will come as a thief in the night bringing "sudden destruction" by fire upon those in spiritual darkness from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12). You're conflating the last days with the day of the Lord, in other words. Read 2 Peter 3:3-13 where Peter says that there would be scoffers in the last days scoffing at the promise of the day of the Lord's coming as a thief in the night. That day has not come yet, but will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night in the future at the end of the last days.

Notice towards the end of the Acts 2 passage that it says "And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come". Compare that to this...

Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [a]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Peter was talking about things that were starting to happen at that time on the day of Pentecost that would happen throughout the last days, such as the pouring out of the Holy Spirit and people calling on the name of the Lord to be saved, but he also pointed to something that would happen in the future just before the day of the Lord's return, such as the sun being darkened and moon turning red (which it does when not giving light). You're missing that Peter was talking about things that would occur "BEFORE that great and notable day of the Lord" during the last days. The last days lead up to the future day of the Lord that will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night. How does the day of the Lord come unexpectedly as a thief in the night in your view?

 

[Marilyn C]

You have done nothing to show that Joel 2 is the start of the day of the Lord period of time. Other scriptures say that the day of the Lord will arrive when Jesus comes as a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12). You need to interpret Joel 2 in such a way that doesn't contradict other scriptures.

And, I don't appreciate you trying to associate a verse with me (2 Peter 3:3) that refers to wicked unbelievers who deny the future glorious coming of Christ.

Quoting AGAIN.

The Start of the Day of the LORD. (Period of Time.)

`Blow a trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm on my holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; for the Day of the LORD is coming, for it is at hand: a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

like the morning clouds spread over the mountains, a people come, great and strong, the like of whom has never been; not will there ever be any such after them, even for many successive generations…..

I will remove far from you the northern army and drive him away into a barren and desolate land…` (Joel 2: 1 & 2 & 20)


The Specific Day of the LORD.

`I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will enter into judgment with them there….` (Joel 3: 2)

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

`Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.` (Matt. 24: 29 & 30)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Quoting AGAIN.

The Start of the Day of the LORD. (Period of Time.)

`Blow a trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm on my holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; for the Day of the LORD is coming, for it is at hand: a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

like the morning clouds spread over the mountains, a people come, great and strong, the like of whom has never been; not will there ever be any such after them, even for many successive generations…..

I will remove far from you the northern army and drive him away into a barren and desolate land…` (Joel 2: 1 & 2 & 20)

And? Joel 2 speaks of things that lead up to the day of the Lord which will be "a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness". Do you know why the day of the Lord is described that way? Because it's the day that is coming in the future when Jesus will come as a thief in the night bringing "sudden destruction" upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3) and that destruction will be by fire coming down on the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12).

The Specific Day of the LORD.

The specific day of the Lord? What does that mean? Please do not make up terms that are nowhere to be found in scripture. The day of the Lord is the day of the Lord. It's the day of the Lord's return.

`I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will enter into judgment with them there….` (Joel 3: 2)

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

`Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.` (Matt. 24: 29 & 30)

Yes, that describes the day of the Lord. What you quoted earlier from Joel 2 leads up to the day of the Lord. As indicated in Joel 2:28-32, the last days, which began long ago and had already started before the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:16-21), lead up to the future day of the Lord when Jesus returns.

 

[ewq1938]

Quoting AGAIN.

The Start of the Day of the LORD. (Period of Time.)

`Blow a trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm on my holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; for the Day of the LORD is coming, for it is at hand: a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

like the morning clouds spread over the mountains, a people come, great and strong, the like of whom has never been; not will there ever be any such after them, even for many successive generations…..

I will remove far from you the northern army and drive him away into a barren and desolate land…` (Joel 2: 1 & 2 & 20)

I don't see this happening at the second coming such as Rev 19 where all the armies will be killed, not driven away somewhere else. I don't believe Joel was describing the NT second coming of Christ.

 

[rwb]

You're missing the context of the passage. It is speaking of the last days that had begun already back then and would lead up to the future day of the Lord that will come as a thief in the night bringing "sudden destruction" by fire upon those in spiritual darkness from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12). You're conflating the last days with the day of the Lord, in other words. Read 2 Peter 3:3-13 where Peter says that there would be scoffers in the last days scoffing at the promise of the day of the Lord's coming as a thief in the night. That day has not come yet, but will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night in the future at the end of the last days.

Notice towards the end of the Acts 2 passage that it says "And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come". Compare that to this...

Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [a]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Peter was talking about things that were starting to happen at that time on the day of Pentecost that would happen throughout the last days, such as the pouring out of the Holy Spirit and people calling on the name of the Lord to be saved, but he also pointed to something that would happen in the future just before the day of the Lord's return, such as the sun being darkened and moon turning red (which it does when not giving light). You're missing that Peter was talking about things that would occur "BEFORE that great and notable day of the Lord" during the last days. The last days lead up to the future day of the Lord that will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night. How does the day of the Lord come unexpectedly as a thief in the night in your view?

These last days we have been in since the coming of the Lord are the day of the LORD the prophets of Old foretell was to come. In days of Old He spoke to us through the prophets, but now "THIS DAY" in His day, the day He was begotten of the Father through the Spirit "when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world and all the messengers (angels) of God worship Him in this His DAY! The DAY OF THE LORD!

Hebrews 1:1-6 (KJV) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

 

[rwb]

And? Joel 2 speaks of things that lead up to the day of the Lord which will be "a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness". Do you know why the day of the Lord is described that way? Because it's the day that is coming in the future when Jesus will come as a thief in the night bringing "sudden destruction" upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3) and that destruction will be by fire coming down on the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12).


The specific day of the Lord? What does that mean? Please do not make up terms that are nowhere to be found in scripture. The day of the Lord is the day of the Lord. It's the day of the Lord's return.


Yes, that describes the day of the Lord. What you quoted earlier from Joel 2 leads up to the day of the Lord. As indicated in Joel 2:28-32, the last days, which began long ago and had already started before the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:16-21), lead up to the future day of the Lord when Jesus returns.

You're reading the day of the LORD the prophets foretell as though it is ONE DAY! You're missing the fact of how the day of the LORD is NOT only limited to a single day when Christ comes again. But the day of the LORD foretold of Old consists of the age that began with His first coming and will not end until the last day of the Lord when He shall come again.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

These last days we have been in since the coming of the Lord are the day of the LORD the prophets of Old foretell was to come. In days of Old He spoke to us through the prophets, but now "THIS DAY" in His day, the day He was begotten of the Father through the Spirit "when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world and all the messengers (angels) of God worship Him in this His DAY! The DAY OF THE LORD!

Hebrews 1:1-6 (KJV) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

As usual, you are not addressing my argument at all. As Peter indicated in both Acts 2:16-21 and 2 Peter 3:3-13, the last days refer to the time period that leads up to the day of the Lord. A long time period cannot come unexpectedly as a thief in the night. The day of the Lord is the day Jesus will return in the future unexpectedly as a thief in the night. This is very clear. You are conflating the last days with the day of the Lord when the reality is that the last days lead up to the future day of the Lord which is a literal day during which Jesus will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You're reading the day of the LORD the prophets foretell as though it is ONE DAY!

BECAUSE IT IS! HELLO? How can a long period of time come unexpectedly as a thief in the night? That's NONSENSE! The day Jesus returns in the future, which is the day of the Lord, will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night resulting in "SUDDEN DESTRUCTION" from which unbelievers "SHALL NOT ESCAPE" and it will be by FIRE coming down upon the entire earth (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12).

You're missing the fact of how the day of the LORD is NOT only limited to a single day when Christ comes again.

Yes, it is. That's why it's described that way in passages like 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 and why it's described as coming unexpectedly in the FUTURE as a thief in the night when Jesus returns.

But the day of the LORD foretold of Old consists of the age that began with His first coming and will not end until the last day of the Lord when He shall come again.

That's THE LAST DAYS, not the day of the Lord. The last days lead up to the day of the Lord, as Peter taught in both Acts 2:16-21 and 2 Peter 3:3-12. The scoffers who are said to scoff at the promise of Christ's future second coming are NOT said to scoff during the day of the Lord, it is said that they scoff during the last days up until the unexpected coming of the day of the Lord that will destroy all scoffers at that time when they realize that they were wrong.

 

[rwb]

I don't see this happening at the second coming such as Rev 19 where all the armies will be killed, not driven away somewhere else. I don't believe Joel was describing the NT second coming of Christ.

The Prophet Joel foretells of the whole day of the LORD the entire New Covenant time/age/era when all that is written concerning Him would be fulfilled.

 

[rwb]

As usual, you are not addressing my argument at all. As Peter indicated in both Acts 2:16-21 and 2 Peter 3:3-13, the last days refer to the time period that leads up to the day of the Lord. A long time period cannot come unexpectedly as a thief in the night. The day of the Lord is the day Jesus will return in the future unexpectedly as a thief in the night. This is very clear. You are conflating the last days with the day of the Lord when the reality is that the last days lead up to the future day of the Lord which is a literal day during which Jesus will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12).

As usual, you are wrong again! Just because the last days culminate with the last day of the Lord, that does not mean the last days are not the day of the LORD the prophets of Old foretell would come. That which shall come unexpectedly is the last day of the Lord on the last day of these last days. Good Bye!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As usual, you are wrong again!

I'm losing count of how many things you are wrong about! Seriously! You need to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7). You even have one particular thing you're wrong about that literally NO ONE could possibly agree with you about and that is your claim that the "great tribulation" that Jesus said would come upon Jezebel and those who committed spiritual adultery with her if they didn't repent would not be considered God's wrath. God's punishment against people for wickedness not being God's wrath? You are the ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD who would claim that. You are so stubborn and prideful in your beliefs that you are willing to believe things THAT NO ONE ELSE BELIEVES in order to keep your doctrine afloat. It's sad to witness.

Just because the last days culminate with the last day of the Lord, that does not mean the last days are not the day of the LORD the prophets of Old foretell would come. That which shall come unexpectedly is the last day of the Lord on the last day of these last days. Good Bye!

Nonsense! Nowhere does scripture describe the day of the Lord as a long period of time? Nowhere! Scripture says the day of the Lord will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night bringing sudden destruction by fire and it refers to the literal day that Jesus will return in the future. It couldn't be more clear. Good bye yourself! Instead of actually exegeting any text, you just believe what you want to believe and just whine and run away whenever your views are challenged.

 

[rwb]

I'm losing count of how many things you are wrong about! Seriously! You need to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7). You even have one particular thing you're wrong about that literally NO ONE could possibly agree with you about and that is your claim that the "great tribulation" that Jesus said would come upon Jezebel and those who committed spiritual adultery with her if they didn't repent would not be considered God's wrath. Punishment for wickedness not being God's wrath? You are the ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD who could claim that. You are so stubborn and prideful in your beliefs that you are willing to believe things THAT NO ONE ELSE BELIEVES in order to keep your doctrine afloat. It's sad to witness.


Nonsense! Nowhere does scripture describe the day of the Lord as a long period of time? Nowhere! Scripture says the day of the Lord will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night bringing sudden destruction by fire and it refers to the literal day that Jesus will return in the future. It couldn't be more clear. Good bye yourself! Instead of actually exegeting any text, you just believe what you want to believe and just whine and run away whenever your views are challenged.

You too display yourself more like an internet troll than you do a Christian.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You too display yourself more like an internet troll than you do a Christian.

Look in the mirror, hypocrite. Which of us is falsely presenting the other's views like you did when you called WPM a preterist, which he is not? That would be you. That is what trolls do. Christians rebuke other Christians when they blatantly twist scripture as you do. We are called to rebuke false teachers and that's what you are.

 

[Marilyn C]

And? Joel 2 speaks of things that lead up to the day of the Lord which will be "a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness". Do you know why the day of the Lord is described that way? Because it's the day that is coming in the future when Jesus will come as a thief in the night bringing "sudden destruction" upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3) and that destruction will be by fire coming down on the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12).


The specific day of the Lord? What does that mean? Please do not make up terms that are nowhere to be found in scripture. The day of the Lord is the day of the Lord. It's the day of the Lord's return.


Yes, that describes the day of the Lord. What you quoted earlier from Joel 2 leads up to the day of the Lord. As indicated in Joel 2:28-32, the last days, which began long ago and had already started before the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:16-21), lead up to the future day of the Lord when Jesus returns.

Joel 2 speaks of a northern army and Israel repenting. God deals with the northern army by sending them into a barren land. (Joel 2: 2o) That is different from God bringing down all the armies of the world to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. (Joel 3: 2)

Look up the Hebrew and Greek word for DAY. It says there is a specific day and also a period of time. The context tells which.

You have only got a half of the picture.

 

[Marilyn C]

I don't see this happening at the second coming such as Rev 19 where all the armies will be killed, not driven away somewhere else. I don't believe Joel was describing the NT second coming of Christ.

Ageed.

Joel 3 describes the second coming of the Lord.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Joel 2 speaks of a northern army and Israel repenting. God deals with the northern army by sending them into a barren land. (Joel 2: 2o) That is different from God bringing down all the armies of the world to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. (Joel 3: 2)

I don't know what your point is here. The day of the Lord is the day Jesus will come in the future unexpectedly as a thief in the night which will bring "sudden destruction" upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3). Peter provided the added detail that the sudden destruction would occur by way of fire upon the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12).

Look up the Hebrew and Greek word for DAY. It says there is a specific day and also a period of time. The context tells which.

I don't need a lecture from you about Hebrew and Greek. This is not a discussion about the various definitions of the word translated as "day". This is a discussion about the day of the Lord in particular.

You have only got a half of the picture.

Nonsense. Do you think that Paul and Peter only gave half of the picture of the day of the Lord? Does that seem like something they would do? Paul gave the full picture of the day of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:11. It's the day that the Lord Jesus will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night in which those who are not in darkness will not be completely caught off guard and will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air and those who are in spiritual darkness will be caught completely off guard and then sudden destruction will come upon them by fire from which they shall not escape. We can trust that Paul and Peter knew what they were talking about when describing the day of the Lord.

 

[Marilyn C]

I don't know what your point is here. The day of the Lord is the day Jesus will come in the future unexpectedly as a thief in the night which will bring "sudden destruction" upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3). Peter provided the added detail that the sudden destruction would occur by way of fire upon the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12).


I don't need a lecture from you about Hebrew and Greek. This is not a discussion about the various definitions of the word translated as "day". This is a discussion about the day of the Lord in particular.


Nonsense. Do you think that Paul and Peter only gave half of the picture of the day of the Lord? Does that seem like something they would do? Paul gave the full picture of the day of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:11. It's the day that the Lord Jesus will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night in which those who are not in darkness will not be completely caught off guard and will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air and those who are in spiritual darkness will be caught completely off guard and then sudden destruction will come upon them by fire from which they shall not escape. We can trust that Paul and Peter knew what they were talking about when describing the day of the Lord.

So, if you think the northern army in Joel 2 that God drives away into a barren land is the second coming of the Lord. That northern army comes down to Israel`s mountains and kills many Israelis. How is that God judging the world`s armies in the Valley of Jehosaphat and the Lord striking the men of the armies so that their flesh dissolves while they stand on their feet. (Joel 3 Zech. 14: 12)

 

[David in NJ]

YOU ever wonder why pre trib is not mentioned .
DO you ever wonder why when it is written
things that even say THE BEAST COMETH against THE SAINTS .
Notice they have to say OH ITS THE TRIBULATION saints the ones that got left behind .
STRANGE , IT SURE NEVER SAID THAT .
IT was written for what , OUR LEARNING , OUR ADOMINTION .
Kinda odd that even an angel warns NOT to take the mark
and all who do will be damned . And yet i guess those parts jus dont pertain to the sheep . KINDA ODD indeed .
THEY HAVE TO TWIST EVERYTHING to even make anything make any kind of sense about pre trib .
HOW come when JESUS warned about HIS day
he always TOLD them BE WATCHING and BE READY lest I COME UPON YOU as a THEIF.
HOW come JESUS said Ye are appointed UNTO tribulation , and pre trib says OH NO WE AINT
GOD TAKES US OUT FIRST . really , and they expect ME to buy THAT MESS they teach .
NOPE . I shall stick to what JESUS said . with the reminder
BE FAITHFUL UNTO TO DEATH . And he who endures to the END the same shall be saved .

Continue in brotherly love. 2Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it. 3Remember those in prison as if you were bound with them, and those who are mistreated as if you were suffering with them.

4Marriage should be honored by all and the marriage bed kept undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterers.

Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have,
for God has Said:
“Never will I leave you,
never will I forsake you.”

So we say with confidence:
“The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid.
What can man do to me?”

 

[David in NJ]

`....knowing ths first: that SCOFFERS will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,....` (2 Peter 3: 3)

Easy to scoff but harder to prove that Joel 2 is NOT the start of the day of the LORD, period of time.

Who scoffing at the Coming of Christ???

My Hope is in the LORD = HE is Coming Again to Raise the Saints who died in Him = 1 Thess 4:13-18

So i ask you again = Who is scoffing at the Holy Scriptures?

Certainly those who reject the Prophecy and Commandments of the LORD Jesus Christ

Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,cand all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

TERRIBLE sin @Marilyn C to scoff at the Prophecy of the LORD Jesus Christ

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

21The grace of the Lord Jesusd be with all the saints.e

 

[David in NJ]

I agree, and so does Peter as he uses Joel's prophesy as proof the day of the LORD the Old Covenant prophets foretell came at Pentecost with evidence of the Holy Spirit being poured out just as the prophet foretells He would be.

Acts 2:14-21 (KJV) But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I really don't understand how people can read these words and continue to argue that we are still waiting for the day of the LORD the prophets of Old foretell would come. We aren't looking and waiting for the Lord to come, since the advent of the cross, resurrection, and ascension we are looking and waiting for the last day of the Lord that shall come when Christ comes again.

Open your eyes and READ and PRAY for understanding the Gospel and Acts and the Apostles Letters and Revelation