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It seems that some here don't understand that being a child of God is about faith and not about nationality, as Paul taught in Galatians 3:26-29 and as he taught repeatedly elsewhere in his letters. Romans 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel...

So, that's what this is about? If we don't agree with everything that modern day Israel, consisting of mostly those who reject Christ, does, then we somehow hate the Jews? Despite the fact that we want all of them to repent and to be saved? It's an absolute false accusation. No wonder they don't...

Yes, it would help me to see that he's not just making that up, which I believe is the case. Or he's misunderstanding what people actually think about the Jews. One or the other. So, if he's going to make a serious accusation like this, he needs to back it up with evidence. Why not? Why should...

That is correct. In other words, you made a statement that you can't back up.

So, your understanding of the "trib" part of "pre-trib" is God's wrath, right? Because what happened after Noah entered the ark was God's wrath upon everyone outside the ark and what happened after Lot went out of Sodom was God's wrath upon Sodom. I don't understand this line of reasoning. What...

Can you give me the username of even one person who posts on this forum who hates the Jews? You need to be able to back up your claims here. I am not aware of anyone here who hates the Jews, so what is that opinion based on exactly?

Yes, I agree that the resurrection and rapture will occur when Jesus comes like a thief in the night and that it will be like when the flood came and destroyed all who were not on the ark in Noah's day and when the fire came and destroyed those who were left in Sodom in Lot's day. So, what I'm...

Are you ignoring what Marty posted? What does it say later about Enoch and the others of faith that are mentioned in Hebrews 11 before verse 13? Hebrews 11:13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed...

See how people don't put enough effort into studying scripture? It's right there written in Hebrews 11:13 that all the people of faith previously mentioned died, and that included Enoch. But, someone is still trying to claim that he didn't die. People draw conclusions from isolated verses like...

So, you actually quoted some scripture for once. But, you didn't exegete a single verse of it. What exactly do you think those scriptures are saying? Show us how you interpret them and why.

He thinks his own words are scripture. That's his problem. He never has exegeted even one verse of scripture. He thinks he doesn't need to do that because he thinks his own words are equivalent to scripture. It's unbelievable.

Can you show me this? I don't see any reference to the day of the Lord in Isaiah 7:18-25. What about what is written in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 where the day of the Lord is portrayed as an event that will come suddenly and unexpectedly in relation to Jesus coming as a thief in...

No, what I'm asking is how you can reconcile your understanding of Zechariah 14 with what is written in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12. Those passages indicate that sudden, unexpected global destruction will occur when Jesus returns to the extent that unbelievers "shall not escape"...

Are you saying you think he shouldn't have done that? This topic had nothing to do with that particular thread, so it made sense to create a separate thread about this topic instead of continuing to derail that thread. Can you quote anything from the first post to back up your claim here? Are...

Where is that taught in scripture? Is that what is indicated in passages like 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12?

Can you explain how that can be reconciled with what is written in passages like 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12? How can any mortal survive His return, in light of what passages like those indicate?

Are you not able to just reason together about these things instead of trying to make things contentious and bringing preterism into the discussion? I'm not a preterist. Can you please just calm down and have a civil, adult discussion? You think I don't want that, but I do. It looks like you...

It doesn't have to refer to two individuals. We're talking about the most highly symbolic book in the Bible here. I believe the two witnesses symbolically represent the church (two olive trees = branches from the natural olive tree and wild olive tree grafted in together - Romans 11) and their...

Look what you do. Did I use any exclamation points in my post? No. You seem to purposely try to escalate things when you use exclamation points like this. Can't you discuss things calmly? You're not understanding my view, which happens fairly often. If you read the parallel passage of Luke...

I could have used a lot worse word to describe you telling me: "Unknowling, you are inadvertently blending "religious" conspiracy theories with the truth here.". You think it's acceptable to accuse me of accepting conspiracy theories? That was very offensive, so I think calling that "stupid"...