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    The "watch rapture view"

    Dan9 27 and he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the...
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    Chaos in Minnesota...ICE agents attacked, protester shot

    I suppose You have found out by now that you were fed some huge propaganda. And you are falling for It hook line and sinker. The news on TV is a waste of time. I am always glad when I am out and about and they are Playing CNN on their TV and a restaurant, that I cannot hear what those liars...
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    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    Spiritual Israelite said:. ""1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. Who do you think "those who sleep in Jesus" that will be with Him when He comes to meet us "in the air"?"" The Light answers; ""I think...
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    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    He is seen in Rev 14:14. ....which is DURING the trib.
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    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    You claim others do not have spiritual insight and then you go on personal attacks. I guess to minimize your opponent. And then you can't even read Matthew 24. Where it says that angels are gathering, not Jesus, and those are angels are gathering in heaven, not the Earth, ( ahem...your theory...
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    Happy Birthday Angelina!!!

    Out of curiosity I did an Ai search. "New Zealand's name comes from the Dutch province of Zeeland ("Sea-land"), named by Dutch explorers after sighting the islands in 1642, with the name later Anglicized by James Cook; its Māori name is Aotearoa, meaning "Land of the Long White Cloud," which is...
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    Happy Birthday Angelina!!!

    This makes me wonder why they named it new "zealand" Having to do with zeal? Was there an "old" zealand?
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    The "watch rapture view"

    The white horse rider is the ac. He comes killing. "CONQUERING and to conquer " Millions die for refusing the mark. He has a bow in his hand. He kicks off the 7 yr gt.
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    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Actually we do not see any angels gathering in Rev 14:14. QUOTE "Jesus never does the reaping, his angels do" Rev 14;14 has JESUS HOLDING A SICKLE. Ahem...Jesus doing the reaping Mat 24 has " one taken, one left, before the flood"...no angels anywhere. Mat 25 has the most vivid depiction of...
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    Happy Birthday Angelina!!!

    Yes happy birthday New Zealand girl. You give me "new zeal"
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    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Nothing about angels gathering anyone in rev14:14. In fact, we see Jesus HOLDING A SICKLE SITTING ON A CLOUD, in rev 14:14 The second coming of rev 19, has Jesus on a horse with millions of horses blackening the sky WITH NO SICKLE WHATSOEVER. You are Making 2 separate comings into one. No way...
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    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Rev 14 :14 has a gathering before your misplaced resurrection. YEARS PRIOR TO IT. So, you painted yourself into a corner. Because, in your doctrine, you now have the dead in Christ of 1 thes 4 are raised AFTER the gathering of rev 14:14. If any postribber ever put all the verses on the table...
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    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    No The 2 witnesses are ONE COMPONENT. That component does not erase the other compoments.
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    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    The bible is clear. Revelation 7 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice...
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    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Most likely 90% of postribbers will read those verses for the first time, then create something to twist it. ...or keep omitting it. 100% proof no saint "makes it through the GT." Postrib rapture is poorly thought out.
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    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Lol All the disciples were martyred except John. Postribbers have invented some scenario where they see themselves running from cave to cave with the AC hot on their heels. The bible is clear. Revelation 7 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all...
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    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Lol He left out the verses of the other comings! Typical.
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    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Yes indeed. Those saved people either take the mark or die. Revelation 7 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in...