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  1. Pilgrimer

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    It was the temple and its buildings that Jesus said not one stone would be left standing upon another that would not be thrown down. The stones you refer to that form the western wailing wall were not part of the temple or its buildings, those stones formed the retaining wall that shored up and...
  2. Pilgrimer

    Christmas

    No one can "keep the feasts" according to the Old Covenant manner of observance, if that is what you are implying. In the days of the coming of Messiah and the establishment of the New Covenant, God Himself removed everything that He had provided that made it possible to observe the Law, and...
  3. Pilgrimer

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    I did not say or even imply that every instance of the use of “tribulation” in Scripture, or even “great tribulation” was a reference to 70 A.D. Quite the opposite, I stated that we have to make a distinction between the tribulation that believers suffer as followers of Jesus, on the one hand...
  4. Pilgrimer

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    I’m glad we can continue our conversation, but let me say that rather than the fulfillment of the Law being a side issue on this thread, it really is the crux of the relationship between the Old and New Covenants, so if we are in 95% agreement, perhaps we haven’t been spinning our wheels after...
  5. Pilgrimer

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    If by “agree to disagree” you mean to discontinue our discussion, then I will sadly agree. But since this must be my closing comments, I ask that you please be patient and give me a few moments to both respond to your comments but also to explain the reason that I was persuaded by Scripture from...
  6. Pilgrimer

    How close is the Seven Year Tribulation?

    If you are trying to convince me that Jesus is the Christ, you’re too late, I have known, and trusted in that, for most of my life. And it wasn’t necessary for a bunch of blind, hypocritical Sanhedrists to own him as King to make it so. He was born into the world Savior and King. But the point...
  7. Pilgrimer

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    Precisely! The Law was not simply some moral code handed down from heaven to guide men in how to live. Certainly the Law is moral and shows us what sin is, but the Law was given to Israel as a covenant between Israel and God. That covenant has been fulfilled and has passed away. It is no longer...
  8. Pilgrimer

    Truth about antichrist

    What I said was: "A true allegory is a literal/historical event that conveys a symbolic meaning, such as Jesus' use of the historical account of Jonah ..." Every other example I used were also historical events, as I pointed out. Might I suggest that sometimes reading a little more slowly can...
  9. Pilgrimer

    Truth about antichrist

    I understand you perfectly. You object to any allegorical understanding of Scripture and consider it to be ... what did you call it? ... "humanistic idolatry." But you are struggling under the same misconceptions that so many other hyper-literalists do, you assume that an allegorical view of...
  10. Pilgrimer

    How close is the Seven Year Tribulation?

    That’s one explanation perhaps, but I don’t think it’s a very good one. Jesus didn’t “offer the kingdom” to Israel during his ministry, he “taught” the people about the kingdom during his ministry. But the “offer” of the kingdom began with Pentecost and the preaching of the Gospel. And that...
  11. Pilgrimer

    Truth about antichrist

    Oh my achi, wherever did you get the idea that Biblical allegory arose in the second and third century? A parable is a simple allegory and Jesus used them exhaustively in teaching about the Kingdom of Heaven. I won’t even mention Paul’s use of allegory in contrasting New Covenant Jews vs. Old...
  12. Pilgrimer

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    I don’t think that’s fair, my brother. I have responded, very specifically, to what you have said. You are the one who goes off into other directions. I made a very specific comment that “the Law as a means of reconciliation has passed away.” You apparently took exception to the idea that the...
  13. Pilgrimer

    How close is the Seven Year Tribulation?

    Agreed. The “time of Jacob’s trouble,” (Jacob = Israel) also called the time of “great tribulation” when Jesus warned those “in Judaea” to flee because of what was coming upon that nation, began in 66 A.D. and ended in 73 A.D., lasting 7 years, the final 70th “week” of years for the Jewish...
  14. Pilgrimer

    Truth about antichrist

    Ridgerunner, you see then from the responses to your post how you can show someone exactly what the Scripture actually teaches about a subject, which refutes popular man-made doctrines, but some will simply reject what the Scripture teaches or twist it to mean something it doesn't. That's how...
  15. Pilgrimer

    Rebuking The Nicene Creed

    I think you misunderstand what the Nicene Creed, the first universal creed of Christendom, actually means. The creed states, accurately, that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. It is the spirit of Jesus that enters into the heart of the believer and wakens our old dead man and...
  16. Pilgrimer

    Spiritual Abuse and Christmas Trees

    In other words, all the many other passages in the Bible about these “asherim” notwithstanding, and all the history about these ancient cultures and their religious beliefs aside, and in spite of all the actual archaeological artifacts of these asherim discovered in this region, it’s your...
  17. Pilgrimer

    Revelation was written during Nero's reign before 70AD

    Hello dragonfly, and my apologies for the tardiness of my response. The root meaning of the Hebrew word for atonement kaphar is “to cover over.” Paul uses this idea of a “covering” for sin in his argument for justification by faith in Romans 4:7 where he quotes David: “Blessed are they whose...
  18. Pilgrimer

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    Obviously, I’m working under some tight time constraints as well so take all the time you like. I’m afraid you are confusing justification with reconciliation. They are not at all the same thing. The Hebrew word kaphar is translated by two English words, atone, which means “to make amends, make...
  19. Pilgrimer

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    Actually Veteran, I have been a life-long student of New Testament history and my views are based on my own study of the historical record. I’m afraid it is you who has gotten tangled up with a biased view of history that millennialists use to try to support their view claiming it is the...
  20. Pilgrimer

    Good Friday/Passover why different days?

    Short answer: Good Friday and Passover occur on different days because they are not the same thing. Passover is the 14th day after the first new moon following the spring equinox, which can occur on any day of the week. Good Friday is the Friday before the first Sunday that occurs after...