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You go first, not by your words but by the scripture and quote how true believers attained it, 'as it is written' or 'for it is written' Thank you

Will make it short and simple for you kids who making a lot of noise over this simple matter. Galatians 4: 24. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants;

Don't be proud and be sure of your 'self' unwisely, for GOD have divided HIS gifts to HIS unworthy servants. So, for the record, GOD did not give you all the answer and let you have an upper hand over us. We also quoted scripture and explaining from it to the nearest possibility prophesied...

Evidence was provided to you as well, what did you do with it? You've ignored them likewise and continue with yours strongly, which 'fall short' to us here and there, as being 'shortsighted' yourself. Hypocrite! You do the very same thing that the ones you judge doing.

The '24 elders in Heaven' are the Biblical fathers of Israel in the Old Testament, like, 'Enoch, Elijah, Moses and etc. whom are not recorded. They symbolically 'do not' represent the whole resurrected church, but rather day and night 'in service' with the 'angels', to GOD and the Lamb who...

Under your goofy ignorance, 'Sarah' is an illusion too as is Mt Sion? You and David can continue in your kindergarten stuff dilemma, there's an actual Mt. Zion in Heaven, but to us is 'hilarious'. Likewise, muslim jihadist also have the dilemma believing scripturally, there are everlasting...

You're a 'false apostle', compared to the true Apostle Paul who said these things are an 'allegory'. Well it's kindergarten stuff to you, but to us is spiritual and of the Kingdom of GOD from above.

You may have to be patience with me if my replies are late, thank you.

Would give all Glory, Honor and Praise to GOD because of our Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. Am just an unworthy servant just doing my duty, you may start the discussion, thank you

'Spectator'?

Then start a topic open a thread, thank you Because this topic is deep, about the Rapture and Great Tribulation. You've to read my posts and get back to me on the post you have questions or so

Sorry, hello there, welcome, we can either Biblically agree or disagree.

Ha, ha, ha, 'Mt Zion is in Heaven' again?? Probably there are more than one mount there, because one would look awkward, go and do more research and get back to us. Will leave you 'two love birds' together and in research, no thank you.

Yes, when you take it literally in your carnal self and understanding, truly not born again, indeed for you Mont Zion is also in Heaven. But to us who spiritually discern, scripturally Heavenly Mount Zion and Jerusalem the Holy city of the free, of Sarah, or in other words of Hagar, is rather...

No i didn't! Romans 11: 26. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27. For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Read on and understand the context, thank you.

No it did not! It's not even talking about the Great Tribulation, nor the rapture where the 144,000 are in Heaven. Christ is already in Heaven and from Heaven with the holy angels the revelation is being ministered and witnessed. Mount Zion is on earth, symbolically it represent the spiritual...

Matthew chapter 24 Verse 14, minister and witness to us that the Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in the world, unto all nations, and then the end shall come. When then GOD will send a strong delusion upon all the 'unbelievers' in the world, for instead of believing in the truth and...

Thank you very much for that and i appreciate your reply, since i perceive your 'zeal' for the scripture and truth, and stand to no nonsense. But if i may whether you agree or disagree, there's something about these rebellious Jews i want to clarify with you, thank you. According to Romans...

This we agree is one with the scripture, where you've pointed out earlier according to Revelation chapter 14. They are not 'symbolic' the claim of some, but exact as it is the will of GOD by the Gospel, the remnant of Jews saved by grace should be 144,000 of them. While the rest of the Jews...

FYI This is my given thread that i've posted from the beginning in regards Revelation 20:5&6. Christ is the firstfruit of resurrection from the dead to life and ascended to Heaven, and seated on the right hand of the Majesty on High. After that there's no resurrection of the dead to life and...