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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    I don't know what you mean. If a saint dies on earth today, his spirit still lives in heaven. I believe his body will be resurrected from the grave and lifted up to his spirit in the clouds when Jesus comes. This is the way it has been since Pentecost. Jude 14 " And Enoch also, the seventh from...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    I still don't understand how I can read a book that is sealed until the time of the Second Coming. This doesn't make sense and it is in contrast to the 7 thunders which are not revealed because they are still sealed. I believe the events take place in a sequential order whether they are on...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    Hebrews 12:22 " But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels," Is this mount Sion in heaven?
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    Why the difference?

    In the OT, God was in the camp, but he was not in the people. God's people of the OT did not have the power within them to change the rest of the world. The rest of the world would make them unclean. In the NT, God dwells in us. We have the power in us to change the rest of the world. The...
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    Why the difference?

    Hack away. Cain and Abel were the first children of Adam and Eve recorded after the fall. There is no record of the birth of Cain's wife. Adam and Eve were 120 when they had Seth. Were Cain and Abel teens when Abel was killed? Did Adam and Eve walk naked in the garden, disobeying God about...
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    Why the difference?

    Everything you point to seems to be either after the time of Jesus or after the period of GT for the previously nonbelieving Jews. I agree that the Spirit will dwell within after these times. What do you think this means? Romans 11:28 "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes...
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    Why the difference?

    I'm saying that there is a lot we don't know about during the time of Adam and Eve. Eve was called the mother of all living before the birth of Cain.
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    Why the difference?

    What is happening in 1 Thes 4:16-17? 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to...
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    Why the difference?

    Point well taken, thank you. Even so, doesn't verse 22 apply to man, animals and even the earth itself; from the time sin entered the world until the resurrection? 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
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    Why the difference?

    The 6th seal foretells that the future events John sees are that the nations will gather to fight against God. God the Father and God the Son will pour out their wrath against this gathering. This pouring out of God's wrath is the last plague. Chronologically, nothing bad is foretold to happen...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    Rev 14:1-5 are the firstfruits of the resurrection/rapture. Rev 14:14-16 is the rest of the postrib resurrection/rapture. All of Israel's harvests had a firstfruits portion that came before the rest of the harvest. 'The dead in Christ rise first' is a reference to them coming out of their...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    Everything else on earth is according to the pattern in heaven. Why not the mountain?
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    They are singing the song of the redeemed. They are not the redeemed. In Rev 4:11 they gave God glory for creation. They were not the created and they didn't know God through creation, but those who were redeemed through faith in a creator were not in heaven. When the redeemed are in heaven...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    If I look at it that way, nothing makes sense to me. Looking at the timing of John's visions is the only way for me to have any understanding of them. I don't understand how you can symbolize everything without time in the 1st paragraph and then say that John saw all the events surrounding a...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    Revelation 14:1-5: 1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the...
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    Why the difference?

    Genesis 3:16 " Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." Multiplying by 0 would still be 0. She had to have a child for this to make sense...
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    Why the difference?

    Ez 17-20: 17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel. 18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and...
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    Why the difference?

    Romans 8: 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not...
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    Why the difference?

    I see! If what you said is true, how did Cain find a wife? How was the pain of childbirth increased after the fall if there was none before the fall? Who did the sons of God marry? I think Abel was righteous in God's eyes because of the sacrifice that he offered, not because he did not have...