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John says nothing about the body of Christ in that text. He is referring to Jesus Christ, the man child, who is to rule the nations with a rod of iron, being "caught up" to God. The text is quite clear on this, but if you want to conclude that 2 + 2 = 5, then so be it. People will believe...

I don't see what the dead in Christ rising first has to do with Satan getting his teeth kicked in by Michael, but whatever, people are going to put 2 & 2 together and conclude an equation of 5 somehow. :confused:

Well, I never said I would miss this world if I were dead at Christs return. I don't want to have to tolerate this dump any longer than God see's it necessary. And really, the world went insane a long time ago, its just the advent of the internet, social media that puts it right in your face. It...

:) What John said, the new earth, the only time he ever mentions "heaven" as a destination at all is as a rest stop during the seven vials judgment.

Well, none of the apostles said anything of the kind, but that's your problem. Some may be concerned about going to heaven, I'm not. It won't be my final destination anyway. :)

Well dying is morbid, that's what Jesus came to defeat, the last enemy to be defeated, and none of them ever said that actually dying is a requirement. Paul says the dead rise first with those still alive and kicking coming after. So if I'm still alive when the time comes, so be it. It makes no...

What about our graduation being our transformation? Why does it have to be the deathbed? Quite morbid. And if we'll keep taking two steps back, never making any real progress, then where does that leave the much vaunted "sanctification"? o_O

Until I no longer perceive them as turds?.....For some, this may never happen. For some, once a turd, always a turd. There are some touchy feely Christians who don't believe that there is a war going on, that all will be "reconciled" to Christ and be saved regardless or some crap like that. The...

If you are claiming they believed they were gonna get whisked away by God from the horror show that was coming upon them, then yes, there assumptions about what Paul meant were obviously wrong. It never happened, didn't it? So why believe the same will happen to YOU before the Great Tribulation...

Oh, so the rapture not being pre-tribulation is "the lie"? Ok got it, as I always say, time always tells the truth, as it certainly did for them. :p

Well, there is a clear discrepancy on this matter to me. Jesus and his chosen buddies don't quite seem to see eye to eye on forgiveness. Jesus compared this "seventy times seven" style forgiveness to the kingdom, and this is understood by many as meaning indefinite, while the apostles are...

And that's your final answer on this matter?? Well, I find it interesting that Jesus Christs brand of 'forgiveness' is likened to "the kingdom of heaven" as being indefinite, so therefore so should we forgive until the end of time (again not counting judgement day). Yet as far as I can see, his...

So are you saying that the "strength" of their faith in Jesus was based on an obvious lie? Should a lie stand for the benefit of helping the saint get through tribulation? Is a pre-trib rapture what Paul really meant or is this in fact what the early Christians assumed he meant? Obviously, the...

I recall Paul stating that there can be no forgiveness for one who sins willfully or continually after becoming "born again"......meanwhile when Peter asks Jesus how many times we are to forgive someone, Jesus basically says until the end of time, or it will be held against us on judgement day...

I would say no, that's a joke if I ever heard. If I had to fight and bleed in the streets to get those rights, then thats not love. If anything its more like a form of respect. Respect is earned, while love, according to Jesus is not earned. Let's not mistake the illusion of inclusion in a...

:eek: Yeah, the early Christians were true dedicated solders. I'd much rather get my head lopped off than get eaten alive by an animal or burned alive at the stake...........meanwhile, today's "soldiers" of God believe they are so special that God will just whisk them out of the way of trouble...

Ok, so back to your last post. Initially written in the book of life? According to Jesus, no ones name is written in the book of life except believers, since the world was condemned the moment Adam and Eve disobeyed God. As long as the believer holds fast to the faith, he has no concern of...

"but their response to God and Christ results in their either (1) remaining in the Book of Life or (2) being expunged (blotted) out of the Book of Life." .......So is this response supposed to occur on judgement day or some undefined time before judgement day?

Well, we can agree that Satan's modus operandi is chaos, but where I differ is that out of the chaos you get order of some type. There is a method and definite end to his madness. He create's the problem, which trigger's the reaction or resistance to the problem, or he'll even create the...

Maybe, but what about "the prince of this world"?