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  1. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    I think you missed either Reading Comprehension class --- or an eye exam. It says "Christ is the END aka PURPOSE of the law". IOW, the purpose of the law is to sent us to Christ. The intrepid Martin Luther said it most beautifully: "The law continually sends me to Christ, and then Christ...
  2. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Dave, since you're unwilling to state publicly that Christians do not have to obey the Ten Commandments, I really can't take you seriously anymore.
  3. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    (c) the principle end, aim, purpose... Didja miss that?
  4. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    It's really pathetic. They jump from point to point, never pausing to discuss at length anything, stubbornly refusing to take a position, hovering on the peripheral of reality and fantasy. You challenge them to lay their public declaration that Christians may freely disregard the Ten...
  5. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Wrong - where does it say "I fulfilled the Sabbath so you don't have to keep it"? You're making it up as y9ou go, right Dave? Also, He said "keep My commandments" which includes the 4th. He said that Christians were to pray to not have to escape on the Sabbath still being kept decades later...
  6. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    C'mon, Dave, we publicly declare God requires those who are saved to live according to the Ten Commandments - why won't you publicly declare we're free to break them? The public is waiting...
  7. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    "For Christ is the end ("purpose") of the law" - dictionary much? "If ye love Me, keep MY commandments" - the Ten Commandments are the "commandments of Christ" given on Mount Sinai by the pre-incarnate Christ, as any scholar worth his salt will testify. He also said Christians were to pray...
  8. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Where I'm from, a real man steps up when he's been challenged and shakes hands when he's beaten - while cowardly boys mock in their own defense. Again, I challenge you to publicly declare the Christian is free to disregard the Ten Commandments.
  9. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    You've already been shown that "end" doesn't mean "no longer exist" - it means "purpose". The purpose of the law is to show us our need for Christ - just as "the end of the Lord" concerning Job was to show Satan the "patience of Job" in remaining faithful. Will you stop falsely using the word...
  10. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    You've been shown many times from Scripture the Ten Commandments are not Mosaic - they existed before Moses and continue beyond the Cross for all eternity. Let's lay aside the warm fuzzies and bulldookey and get the the heart of the matter: The reason you refuse to publicly declare Christians...
  11. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    I keep picturing an angry child with both hands covering his ears. Have you ever seen such stubborn use of strawman argument due to inability to answer the actual argument of one's opposition?
  12. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    "Love is the fulfilling of the law." How can we say we love God or our neighbor if we are breaking any of the first four or the last six?
  13. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    The Messiah SDAs follow says, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments"....does yours? The Ten Comms are only "grievous" to those who say they love Jesus, but actually hate Him and love sin. d.) allow those who love sin to cling to sin and salvation at the same time. Bro, we've told you many...
  14. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Our former pastor's wife used to bring one to Wednesday night prayer meeting and I've read some of the passages, some of which are terrible renderings of those in my KJV.
  15. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Wondering if the people who fight against the integral nature of "religious laws" in end times prophecy will apologize to us later? LOL
  16. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    The "Clear Word" is not a Bible - it's a paraphrase, and not a very good one, if I may say so. Nevertheless - yes, the 4th commandment IS mandatory - just as mandatory as the other 9 commandments...unless you're willing to argue that we may have other gods before Jesus, we may murder, kill...
  17. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    "Under the law" means "under condemnation of the law" as proved by the last three words of this verse. That's what SDAs believe - so please stop falsely representing our beliefs. "...and have seen the end of the Lord". (Psssst......"end" means "purpose", not "cessation") Hello.....Jesus is...
  18. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    SDAs don't teach that. SDAs don't teach that. Why do you teach those who love Jesus can break His commandments, the exact opposite of John 14:15?
  19. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Yep, definitely wins the Blue Ribbon Grand National Men's Strawman Argument competition, hands down.
  20. Phoneman777

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Dave, those angry feelings you're experiencing due to your inability to answer our Biblically sound arguments are called "Holy Spirit conviction" which often ruffles our carnal feathers when we fall under it. God understands that, which is why He's so patient. A true child of God will repent...