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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    Dear Davy, I used to believe as you do, but after my conversion in 2005, everything changed for me. At that time, Christ healed my spiritual blindness and the truth of scripture opened up to me. Then, after great searching (even with "eyes that can see), I found the hidden treasure of God...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    Dear David in NJ, Christ does not tell them in the verses you quoted that they will never be saved. You are adding that to the story. Christ merely points out to the Pharisees their true spiritual condition and tells them that they are not the true children of Abraham. Only the "spiritual"...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    Dear David in NJ, Good morning to you, too. Mat 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. I have looked at this verse carefully...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    Dear Gottservant, I'm not sure what you are saying in your post. Why do you think I am saying that mankind is "nothing"? Mankind is not nothing. We are made in the image of God and have self-consciousness. Though, mankind has fallen to the god of this world and has become his children, God...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    Dear David in NJ: You are right. The book of Revelation does not teach what will happen to the lost of the final age. In fact, it is almost completely silent on the what happens in the final age. The book of Revelation was written to and for the Elect. They are the ones who will be "blessed"...
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    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    Dear Robert Derrick, There really is no reason to continue this discussion. Your understanding of Christ and His plan for mankind is not coming from scripture. This one verse contradicts your overall understanding of God: 1Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all...
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    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    Dear Robert Derrick, Since it appears we are not going to come to a similar understanding, there is not any reason to continue our discussion. However, I will reply to a couple of points you made since you are still misunderstanding what I have been saying. You said: Now you join the JW camp...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    Dear David in NJ, I live in Colorado. If you are in New Jersey as your "member name" implies, I am not "near by". Thanks for the offer though. The verses you quoted are referring to the White Throne Judgment. At that time, Christ separates His Elect from the "lost". The Elect (those who...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    Dear David in NJ, Please consider my response to ewq1938 (which I just posted) as my response to you. I do want to add one more item to that response because you do not understand the purpose of Christ's judgment. Consider these verses: Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    Dear ewq1938, Don't you know that all mankind must be destroyed spiritually to be converted. All the death and destruction which comes from the judgment of Christ is necessary for mankind's conversion and salvation. Look at this verse: Isa 66:16 For by fire (Judgment) and by his sword (God's...
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    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST... However, the rest of mankind will not be forgotten by Christ. Their salvation will come in the final age (Lake of Fire age). Since mankind's salvation is 100% the work of Christ, no man has the ability to choose the timing of their own salvation. Only the Elect...
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    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    CONTINUED FROM PREVOUS POST... Paul calls this believer with a worsened spiritual condition the Man of Sin (2Thes 2:1-4). John, in Revelation chapters 13, refers to him as the Seven Headed Ten Horned Beast. This Beast is controlled by the spirit of anti-Christ (the second Beast/the False...
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    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST... But since mankind's sin spiritually separates us from God and because God wants children, He needed to create a pathway back to Himself for mankind. To accomplish that task, God sent Jesus Christ to reconcile mankind back to God: 1John 4:14 And we have seen and...
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    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    Dear Robert Derrick, I just saw your last post so I will make a response to it by posting something I wrote earlier. It is a little long so it may take 3 or 4 posts. Here is what I have been taught from scripture: God's plan for this creation is perfect and is without mistake or regret. The...
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    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    Dear Robert Derrick, The difference between what you are saying and what I am saying is very different. Mankind has no works to perform to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and salvation. The confession of faith is Christ's work and is not man's work. You say there is no difference but...
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    If you have read the book of Revelation, and not understood something, you have read wisely (thoughts?)

    Dear ewq1938, The gospel which says that Christ is going to be a failure to save all of mankind but will instead, torment in literal fire most of mankind for all eternity, without a loving or righteous purpose, is the real FALSE GOSPEL. This verse below is the true Good News which should be...
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    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    Dear Robert Derrick, I did provide scripture but you either didn't read it or you don't accept what the verses teach. Before I show the scriptures again (with a few more), I will say that I agree that "words" are "works" and that mankind is judged by their works. And since mankind's "works"...
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    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    Dear Robert Derrick, I did address our difference. We are saved by faith alone in Christ and trust Him to produce all the "works" of our salvation. Our confession of faith is Christ's work which He does from within us. It is not a "work" we can claim as our own. I have some questions for...
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    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    CONTINUED FROM THE PREVIOUS POST... When a believer uses “works” (religion) to approach Christ, those “works” will only make them appear to be righteous from the outside. But within, they will still be unclean. Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto...
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    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    Dear Robert Derrick, The distinction that I am making between your understanding and mine is that the confession of faith is not a work of man. It is a work of Christ which He does through us. Isa 26:12 O Jehovah, thou appointest peace to us, for, all our works also thou hast wrought for us...