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No, I'm saying that his atonement is what makes us impervious to sin, the bodies themselves are irrelevant. Like I said before, God can have you fetching leaves off a tree like the rest of the world if he wanted to. Those who want to make the tree of life and Jesus Christ synonymous may believe...

No, they didn't, because he made them "perfect in their ways" like he did the angels, or "very good" as he stated. Go back and read it, its only after they ate from the tree that introduced the knowledge of sin that God is no longer described as if he was actually in their presence. All Adam and...

Is it impervious to sin because of the bodies themselves or is it because Jesus Christ put away sin on the cross? Jesus Christ compared the glorified bodies to that of angels, in that the curse of death will no longer apply to us. He never said it would anything about it making us sinless or...

God can be anywhere he wants to be. He can be in a pillar of smoke, a ball of fire, an exploding mountain, wherever. There is no hiding from him. But it also makes it very clear that he has a tangible form. To claim otherwise is to make his prophet a liar when he stated that he literally sits on...

I quoted Paul almost verbatim in my last reply, in post 292. Here, compare and contrast. The same body that is sown in corruption will be raised incorruptible. He basically repeats himself saying that the earthly body will be raised and transformed into the incorruptible body prepared for us...

Yes, if what he claims had any truth to it at all, he wouldn't be saying "I would think", he would be stating it as fact and backing it up with scripture. He can't because there is not a shred of truth to it. His every word sounds more like the Gnostic version of the transformation than the...

"I would think after we die" - Oracle..................

Well, yes, there is a place that God dwells in. He isn't like the new age version of "god" who is defined as just some all encompassing blob, or "presence", or "universal consciousness", who defines "god" as all and all as "god". Scripture reveals that he has a body and he has a throne. He will...

So....we are "already saved", as in justified........but on the other hand, we really aren't justified, because we "will be saved". Which one is it? Are you justified now and forever or not?? I don't really care about addressing every single one liner you bring up that you believe backs up your...

Not sure, I'd get "caught up in the spirit" so I can ask God, but I really don't care.

Yes, Jesus has a place prepared for us, and its not heaven. This has been pointed out to you already, so no need for me to waste my time there.

Uh huh

"We're still united".........I have no unity with those claiming I am not saved, implied or otherwise, he knows who he is. This "oracle" may believe himself to be united with God, but he sure as hell ain't united with me. I have nothing in common with their ilk. I have had plenty of run ins with...

Do you believe your argument is the truth or do you know its the truth?

M'kay, you do you, as long as you are staying in your lane.

No, we are not a church, small c. So while I am flattered that I have inspired yet another thread, this discussion should have never happened to begin with. In a real church, small c, there is no debate forum about doctrine. If you don't like church doctrine, then you get lost and find one you...

It has to be rocket science for some people.

I get the feeling you will be waiting a long time for a better understanding, but we shall see. It just seems to me like you aren't 100% sure of your salvation in Jesus Christ. If you are wondering why God doesn't just snatch you up now, well, I guess Moses and Elijah would have wondered the...

Maybe because God is sovereign and he can do what he wants?

You don't say hey? So "doing what our savior would have us do" means "keeping the sabbath"? So are those who decide to have a gathering on Sunday not saved according to you? How about Wednesday, or Monday, any other day but Saturday?