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One can say the same about the apostles, who many believe were "in christ " yet Jesus referred to them as those with little faith many times, such as the time they failed to cast out the demon out of the boy in Mark 9. Was it the case that they were not "in Christ", or was it just a case of them...

Well, I wasn't asking if you could, I was asking if God could have done it another way. My answer to that is no. Like I said, the sacrifice had to be born of a woman and without blemish, one who knew no sin. Since all have fallen short of Gods glory, then the sacrifice had to come from one made...

It has to be the spirit of devils they are high on. There simply can be no other explanation for this debasement of Gods word. This is why we are told to cast our every thought to the obedience of God, to cast down every high thing that exalts itself in place of God. It is Satan, the prince of...

Currently working up the nerve, the audacity to accept Donald Trump as a minister of God. Lord help me.

They might as well claim Mary will be the one. After that, they will probably claim that its actually Mary sitting with Jesus on the left hand of the Father in new Jerusalem.

People forget that Jesus Christ himself asked the Father to take the responsibility for the atonement away from him. If people are wondering if there could have been another way, then they needn't look any further than the scripture below to see that the answer to that question is a resounding...

Well, there is a saying that what is meant for evil and foolishness can be turned on its head for good by God. However, was it really just the church doing its job that planted that seed, or the holiday? I would think hard on that one.

Do I know that being friends with the world makes me God's enemy? Well do I ever!!!!:cool:

What other ways could he have accomplished the atonement for our sins if not by Christ's sacrifice?

You would have to find a good website that uses these emoticons and just copy and paste them in.

Exactly, the legalist's on here would tell you otherwise. They would rather tie the rope of the old mosaic law observances around our necks and claim that we are not to worship on Sunday for instance. I would truly like to see how they view Christmas, just to see how double minded they really...

The way I see it, if they want to relegate the importance of Jesus Christ to a day, then I can't on good conscience call them real Christians. These are the kinds of Christians one would describe as 'straddling the fence', or someone with one foot in the church and other in the world. These are...

We all love these emoticons don't we?

:rolleyes:..........yep.

I don't understand why Christians pretend like it has anything at all to do with the Bible. What in the blue hell does Christmas have to do with Jesus Christ? What did Jesus Christ do on December 25th that gives the date any relevance at all?

To get down to brass tacks, is Jesus here even implying that the Caesar is a "minister of God"? He seems to be clearly separating the two. One would think he would have told the Pharisees something very different if this was the case.

And in context, the entire chapter concerns the church, not King Nebuchadnezzar, or Donald Trump. You taking one little verse out of not just one, but three chapters to rob it of that context doesn't suddenly NOT make it so. If it comes down to obeying the president, or Kim Jong Un versus...

You reminded me Oh but wait, doesn't scripture state that the governments responsible for this are ordained by God to be his ministers? Or is that a joke? I don't think that even I could have said it better myself.

I can agree with you here that its speaking of government authority because it actually states the authority in question. This is not the case with Romans 13 where without the words "ministers of God", without the previous and succeeding chapters, is left in ambiguity allowing people to twist...

Its idiomatic for his ministers as authority figures executing judgement within the church like Jesus told them to, its not about literally cutting people into pieces with a sword.