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  1. Phoneman777

    Born Again = Not a Sinner

    You might as well sum it all up as "Salvation in me effects only one change: God's negative opinion of my sin that remains". Not buying it. That's nothing more than a OSAS License to Sin, which allows the bearer the privilege of escaping the same punishment for doing the exact same thing for...
  2. Phoneman777

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Chiasms are found throughout Scripture contained in singular verses or in entire passages (like the Book of Revelation which is one giant Chiasm) and are instances where not words, but ideas are rhymed, as in this case of 1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV: A. died (death) B. rose again (resurrection) A...
  3. Phoneman777

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Alright, I have to ask if you've ever been acquainted with Hebrew Chiasms? If not, I can almost guarantee you wrongly interpret 1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV to mean "Jesus will bring back to Earth with Him the dead saints that went there to Him when they died" - and interpretation which violates the...
  4. Phoneman777

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    I think it was Luther who once said when we approach the Bible, it's like harvesting apples: first walk up and pick up what's lying around, next we shake the tree and collect what drops, then we reach up and pick what's in arm's reach, then we climb the tree and grab what we can, then we shimmy...
  5. Phoneman777

    It's about "relationship"...right?

    Of course James was constrained by the law - he says it's a mirror in which we look to see if we're living according to it, and we're blessed if we daily check to see if we've gotten dirt on us...which answers the question as to why so many antinomianists hate the idea of Christians being...
  6. Phoneman777

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Extremely good question...preachers always answers it the same way: "Can'st thou by searching find out God? Can'st thou find out the Almighty unto perfection? It is higher than heaven, what can'st thou do? Deeper than hell, what can'st thou know? The measure thereof is broader than the EArth...
  7. Phoneman777

    It's about "relationship"...right?

    I don't deny this point: I agree that those who "keep the law, having not the law" are just as much a saint as the missionaries who often eventually show up to their remote village and teach them in person more fully about was previously only revealed to them by God's Spirit. Ever see "End of...
  8. Phoneman777

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    I'm pretty sure that "man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God". Are not those two verses considered part of "every word", and as such "Scripture"? And is not "All Scripture...profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for...
  9. Phoneman777

    I will send my messenger

    You still don't see why you're preaching a gospel of Inconsistency. If Jesus can't glorify someone before He was glorified, then He can't resurrect someone before He was resurrected.
  10. Phoneman777

    It's about "relationship"...right?

    I'm not sure about "agape" not existing until the 17th century, but one thing is for sure: the "love" of God that is demonstrated by happily keeping His commandments (1 John 5:3 KJV) is the SAME love that those lost saints allowed widespread iniquity to kill cold and dead, leaving them unable to...
  11. Phoneman777

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    1 Timothy 3:16 KJV and 2 Thessalonians 2:7 KJV.
  12. Phoneman777

    I will send my messenger

    Amen, the "messenger before Me" is John the Baptist, and the Messenger of the Covenant - the New Covenant - is Jesus, the "Lord Whom ye seek" that did "suddenly come to His temple"... The same One that God would give "for a Covenant to the people and for a light unto the Gentiles"... The same...
  13. Phoneman777

    I will send my messenger

    Bro, I'd prefer to talk about something else, OK? When I read plain texts like the Lord was about to take Elijah to heaven, Enoch did not taste death, and that there was a dispute over the body of Moses which could only have been about God's intention to resurrect him, it is an undeniable truth...
  14. Phoneman777

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Those 19th century scholars had good reason to believe it. They're actually pretty solid. For instance, we read "Michael and His angels" - but to Whom do the angels actually belong? Just search "his angels" in Scripture and you'll see all the texts which refer to them being made by and...
  15. Phoneman777

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    That was actually a commonly accepted doctrine before the 20th century, supported by many verses and believed and taught by many popular commentators and preachers like Matthew Henry, Charles Spurgeon, etc., none of which believed He was anything less than God in the highest sense of the word...
  16. Phoneman777

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Like quietthinker said, making Jesus our God demands we first abdicate the throne to Him...an absolute necessity if we're to be saved. The "mystery of iniquity" is the inexplicable desire of the creature to exalt himself to the level of his Creator, while the "mystery of Godliness" is the...
  17. Phoneman777

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Gold medal winning response.
  18. Phoneman777

    It's about "relationship"...right?

    Eros, phileo, storge? Sure, all people know that...but only the saints of God can demonstrate "agape" which is by happily keeping the commandments of God (1 John 5:3 KJV; Romans 8:7 KJV). This is precisely why the "many" in Matthew 24:12 KJV are "saints" which won't "endure to the end" and wind...
  19. Phoneman777

    I will send my messenger

    I've already shown you that Moses and Elijah "appeared in glory" but you refuse to concede your position, so as stated earlier, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm happy to discuss anything else with you, but I think this topic has run its course. Thank you for your thoughts. Blessings.