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Of course, this would make God out to be the evil, unjust, vindictive God the scoffers claim him to be. If Satan is the way he is because of God, then scripture would have stated as such. It doesn't, it says that iniquity was found within Satan by God, not implanted within him.

Sounds like a prime time troll to me, but hell, that's just my observation.

If God is Satan, as people like "face2face" believe, then who is it that gets tossed in the lake of fire? Are they trying to say that God is tossing himself in the fire to be punished for all eternity? :rolleyes: Oh boy, the tripe people spew. Why this is not considered blasphemy of the...

Yep, gnosticism doesn't teach salvation from sin through Jesus Christ at all. They don't even believe him to be the only begotten son, but merely a "messenger of light" who basically came to teach us how to attain the knowledge, the "gnosis" by which we can save ourselves. This will be a basic...

This sounds like nothing more than the gnostic version of Jesus. Them believing that flesh, this material existence was a manifestation of evil in the beginning, that the flesh is a prison to contain the spirit designed by a cruel and vindictive being called the "Demiurgos" who imagined himself...

I think a better question would be is it at all possible to overcome our sins for the rest of our every waking lives through Jesus Christ. Paul didn't seem to think so, and evidently, neither did John.

HA!!! This is why I'm surprised there are still members wasting their good time with Stranger on this subject.

M'kay, and I have no problem with this explanation at all. I don't need Greek words to tell me what I already know. I don't speak Greek, I speak English. Jesus Christ is God the Father diversified in the flesh as the word, who always was God and WITH him. With him, meaning still numerically...

I fail to see how your description of God's 'diversity' differs from my explanation of his tri-unity. I already answered that in spades. If you want to believe that God Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost is already ruling the nations with a rod of iron...well its not supported by...

I think a better question would be WHAT power is actually being given to him in particular. After all, we all know that scripture states that "the earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof, along with its inhabitants". The creation, him being the creator, already belonged to him. But both in...

They would also have to explain why not even "he who sat on the throne" could open the book of the seven seals. Nothing in existence could open it, and it had John crying like a little girl until the "Lamb that had been slain" walked in and opened it. Yet again, its two different entities being...

Anyone with a basic reading comprehension can see its describing three different entities. There is the Father who sits on the throne, the seven spirits which comprise the Holy Ghost, and the son Jesus Christ AKA "the word of God" who will be right beside him. The Seven spirits of God: While...

If this needs to be repeated to a long time member for the umpteenth time, then you should know that your time would be better served doing something else, like....oh....I don't know, fishing...or pumping iron at the gym. :)

I wouldn't even waste my time with this creature Job. He just needs that kind of attention that he has to disagree with scripture that an eight year old can understand. I guess he just needs someone to talk to or something.

The "age old lie" :rolleyes: Ha!!! M'kay, there we have it folks, the word of God is "the age old lie", I think I've heard it all now. Moving along

uh huh, so what "lie" was I spreading again?

:rolleyes: I would search the scriptures with more diligence before calling what the word of God teaches a 'lie'. Jesus was tempted, but him being the word in the flesh made him an impenetrable nut to crack, without sin. You now have a problem with scripture, not with me. And scripture quite...

If there are Christians that believe Satan isn't a literal entity, then I guess they believe Jesus was being tempted by an imaginary being. :rolleyes: Do they believe God prepared the Lake of Fire for something that never existed?: Is the archangel Michael fighting against an allegory? Do...

Well we know they can think well enough to follow orders and build nests, just don't expect them to ever be able to build anything like this beast: I have somewhat of a background in aviation, so I really don't see why a thread on the brain capacity of animals is necessary, the evidence shows...

Exactly, and it just goes to show that we couldn't possibly have a full understanding of the things promised to us, or what "spirit" really is with our little pea brains. Some people need to take some time off from society, study and meditate on the word more, because Hollywood, Satan's...