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  1. Phoneman777

    Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

    No, the problem is no where near that of the Catholic church if you only include legit mainstream Protestant denominations. Predators know they can claim to be "called of God" on Monday, start a non-denominational 501c3 on Tuesday, and be raping and molesting kids by Wednesday, which is why...
  2. Phoneman777

    Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

    I'm not charging EVERY priest as a pedophile. Richard Sipe says 6 percent of priests have acted out sexually with minors, so even if you allow for another 44 percent of priests that have only tendencies alone but no intention to act upon them, that still leaves HALF the total number of priests...
  3. Phoneman777

    Christians are sinners, but not of the devil

    Who's preaching works salvation? We're saved by grace through faith alone, right? Works are merely the outward evidence of our inward spiritual condition, according to 1 John 2:3-4 KJV.
  4. Phoneman777

    Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

    Nobody's siding with you on this, friend. Pope Leo wrote plainly that he believes he and his fellow popes "hold upon this Earth the place of God almighty" and the link I provided you proves that as such. Catholicism can't get any more explicit than that. So, are you going to persist in...
  5. Phoneman777

    What exactly is pre-Tribulation, Tribulation and Rapture?

    OK, that's why I wrote proving there's no way life on Earth will continue after Jesus comes "as a thief". The whole shooting match is going up in smoke.
  6. Phoneman777

    Christians are sinners, but not of the devil

    I never said His love is unconditional, but His salvation is VERY MUCH conditional. His "agape" doesn't cripple His justice. John MacArthur is wrong - the angels can lose theirs, but are doing just fine. Proof? 1/3 are destined for the Lake of Fire "prepared for the devil and his angels".
  7. Phoneman777

    What exactly is pre-Tribulation, Tribulation and Rapture?

    Does the Chiasm in verse 14 speak of His coming? No, just one of the events which take place at His coming, which is that He will "bring forth with Him" from the tomb the saints in the same manner He was brought forth from the tomb. No, the Chiasm which you keep refusing to acknowledge plainly...
  8. Phoneman777

    Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

    There's no "out of context" problem here. The portion of the quote I shared speaks for itself. This quote from Christ has not even the slightest suggestion that a church leaders "hold upon this Earth the place of God almighty". I'm not sure what convoluted line of reasoning you're employing...
  9. Phoneman777

    What exactly is pre-Tribulation, Tribulation and Rapture?

    Is verse 14 talking about Jesus traveling across the universe, or coming forth from the tomb? The Chiasm demands that we apply the exact same idea to "they that sleep" - they don't "travel with Jesus across the universe". God will "bring" them forth from the tomb "with Him" as Jesus was brought...
  10. Phoneman777

    What exactly is pre-Tribulation, Tribulation and Rapture?

    It sounded like you believe after Jesus comes, life will continue on Earth.
  11. Phoneman777

    Christians are sinners, but not of the devil

    The more we persist, the farther we push Him away, according to Isaiah 59:1-2 KJV. The only remedy to this situation is repentance - turning with our whole heart back to God. The "many" in Matthew 24:12 KJV are former saints which allowed widespread iniquity to kill their "agape" cold and dead...
  12. Phoneman777

    Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

    From a pro-Catholic webpage which was awarded the "Triple Excellence Gold Award" from CatholicCulture.org for Excellence in Fidelity, Resources & Usability: Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae - Papal Encyclicals paragraph 5, first sentence: "But, because we hold upon this Earth the place of God...
  13. Phoneman777

    What exactly is pre-Tribulation, Tribulation and Rapture?

    It doesn't say "bring someone with you". It says "bring with Him". I've shown why the word "with" can only be interpreted as "in like manner" which is a fully acceptable interpretation, just like the two Bulls fans on opposite sides of the globe celebrating "with" each other over a team victory...
  14. Phoneman777

    What exactly is pre-Tribulation, Tribulation and Rapture?

    Doesn't Peter say when the day of the Lord comes "as a thief" the world will basically implode? Some say, O, the "day of the Lord" is not a day but a period, and they argue that it will last 7 years...is that what happened in Noah's day? Did Jesus say the Flood came and they all stood around...
  15. Phoneman777

    Christians are sinners, but not of the devil

    A genuine Christian walks in obedience. When a Christian turns to walk in rebellion and persists and persists until he's no longer capable of repentance, he's no longer a genuine Christian. He's a genuine sinner who will have his part in the Lake of Fire.
  16. Phoneman777

    Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

    Nope, I don't submit to your typical papal tactic - taking a generous scoop of unrelated "proof" from the top of the "Roman dunghill of decretals" and slinging it all over the singular topic at hand. We can deal with that other stuff after we're done with this one: Now, what in blue blazes do...
  17. Phoneman777

    What exactly is pre-Tribulation, Tribulation and Rapture?

    If you'd had read the last line of my post, you'd know I addressed this -- consider the following: When a Bulls fan in Chicago celebrates a win "with" a Bulls fan in Afghanistan, are they "with each other side by side" or are they celebrating "in like manner"? Likewise, "bring with Him" means...
  18. Phoneman777

    What exactly is pre-Tribulation, Tribulation and Rapture?

    Here's why "bring" in 1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV is not referring to "bring the dead saints in heaven back to Earth with Jesus at His Second Coming": What is the context of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 KJV? The resurrection, with which we are told by Paul to "comfort one another". Verse 14 is plainly...
  19. Phoneman777

    What exactly is pre-Tribulation, Tribulation and Rapture?

    Sure, the dead have to take part in the Rapture, because it's then they rise with the living saints, translated, to meet Jesus in the clouds. The rapture and the Second Coming are simultaneous, according to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 KJV, right? The Lord descends in power, glory, with a shout that...
  20. Phoneman777

    "Depart from me i never knew you". #1

    @Behold What say you about this, brother? The "many" in Matthew 24:12 KJV who allow widespread iniquity to turn their agape cold and dead (a far more spit-worthy spiritual condition than that of the merely lukewarm Laodicean saints Jesus will spew out His mouth) are indeed saints who Jesus...