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Then you disagree with your own premise. Go back and look about what you wrote about Jacob and Esau. You claim God chose Jacob for salvation while hating Esau. If that's the case, what choice did Esau have but to be forever estranged from God? The most important choice, whether to follow God or...

Well, when you say that Faith is a gift that God gave Abraham, and deny that Abraham had a faith of his own, that is exactly what I take from it. If God is just giving faith to some and not others, then the others certainly don't deserve punishment for not having what they were never given...

You totally ignored that Paul said they had not fallen beyond recovery. and that he starts the chapter by saying:"I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means!" Of course, the blinded ones were still capable of being saved. Otherwise, Paul could not have said they did not fall beyond...

And it sure was not what you said I said.

Nations will stand Nations will fall God will require Accounts from them all But we'll all stand We'll all stand together If we all stand We'll all stand together Yes we'll all stand We'll all stand together As our hands reach towards the sky People unite With one common cause As evil delights...

Lol, again you can't have it both ways. Either faith is something that Abraham did, or God did it all. Of course, Abraham was convicted, as all of us are, and of course, Abraham could have disobeyed and remained an idol worshiper, but God knew he would not, because of his foreknowledge. You try...

Paul explains that there are a relatively small number of ethnic Israelites who have obtained righteousness. These are “the elect”. They correspond to the “remnant” from verse 5. Paul distinguishes “the elect” from “the rest”. “The rest” is everyone else in ethnic Israel who is not “the elect”...

And? I certainly didn't say that " Paul said what he said in verses 6-33 in verses 1-5." That was totally your invention. I said that he was setting up his argument from the start of the chapter.

Lol, seriously, read the faith chapter. If no one was ever commended for having faith and scripture taught that God just irresistibly imposes faith on people and withholds it from other people, well, you would have a leg to stand on. As it is, you are just adding your pagan determinism to the Bible.

This is just you imposing your determinism onto scripture. You can't have it both ways. Either Abraham had a choice and obeyed, or he was just God's robot, programmed to do exactly what God said. I'll go with what scripture says instead of your pagan determinism. 8By faith Abraham, when called...

Is this world in a worse mess than it has been at numerous times in history? I'm kinda leaning partial preterist, but not dogmatic about it.

I'm not sure what you mean. Corporate election doesn't deny that each individual believer has certain benefits. What is stated is that we receive those blessings "in him". (Notice what it doesn't say. It doesn't say he chose us to be in him.) How is one included "in him?" 13 And you also were...

Oh, good grief. Now you are just making stuff up. I never said any such thing. I guess you can't know what your refuse to see.

12 The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you. 2 “I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.[a] 3 I will bless those who bless you...

Wow, this is some convoluted reasoning! Yes it's by grace through faith and without faith salvation doesn't happen. It's by faith from first to last. You have not shown what you claim. Faith is everywhere ascribed to man, not to God (Matt 9:2, 22, 28-29; 10:52; Luke 7:50; 8:50; 17:19; 18:42)...

No it's the same thing, by the same writer. You just don't want to see what is plainly shown here, because it doesn't work in your theology.

It's a lot more than that. He's setting up his whole argument by starting with Israel. Again if you don't get this, you will misunderstand the rest of the chapter. It's about Israel and the gentiles, not individual salvation. Until he gets to the point that salvation comes through faith, not works.

Why would I believe what you say instead of what scripture says? Let's just choose one of the people you mentioned. "19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring...

Oh I thought it was belief in Christ that saved you, not belief in the rapture. And since most Christians through history didn't believe in a rapture, are they gonna be left behind with the unsaved?

” 6Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as righteousness. 7 1. he believed in God. 2. and it was credited to him as righteousness. Calvinist: "Let's just reverse this order every time we see it, as it doesn't fit our preconceived ideas."