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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Of course God seeks for us, but he doesn't just seek for some. He seeks whosoever will respond. He convicts the world, not just a few people. If we hide as Adam did, we know our sin and that's a good first step towards asking for help.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Your answer is illogical. And you don't understand individual election, either, it seems. Again, if you are irresistibly chosen from eternity past for salvation, can you mess that up? C'mon, to say you can goes against everything you have been preaching.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    It's important to understand how certain terms are used in the theological world, especially if you're going to argue against them. "corporate election is the idea that, when God elected or predestined people to be saved, He did not pick out individual people; rather, God chose Christ. Since...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    It means all, every one who has ever lived since Adam. The Jews rebellion sent the gospel to the gentiles. So in that sense it became easier to obtain mercy because of thier rebellion.and Paul is hopeful that the same will happen in reverse, as the Jews become jealous of the gentiles faith...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    No, not if individual election is true. Surely you can see that if someone is pre chosen he can not be damned, whether he ever hears the gospel or not. And that the one chosen to be reprobate can't be saved regardless. John Calvin at least understood that his theology led to Divine...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    I dosdo not see this as a reference to the individual election of seven thousand men, but to God's preserving those who are faithful to him. And this is what we found when we look at Arminian commentators like Adam Clarke. "These [seven thousand] had continued faithful to God; but, because of...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    How amusing that those who believe in individual election, always consider themselves one of the "everyone"! It's okay to believe the faceless majority is irresistibly damned, but not that they probably are too.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Cutting pieces of verses out but no context, how Calvinists of you! " Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,..." And how ironic that this precedes the verse you...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Not even close. But without free will, the entire Bible turns into nonsense. If Adam was not really given a choice, what was he punished for? If the people of Noah's time had no other choice but debauchery, why were they drowned ? And on and on it goes. Freedom is necessary for reward and...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    If we can not respond to the Spirit, we could never be saved in the first place. But we can. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Yes, it's mans' responsibility, but not in your scheme where God does everything. Essentially dead or literally dead? Because essentially dead means we can respond to the live giver and be brought back to life. Literally dead means we are just corpses and can not be saved. Now, I know some...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Only if you believe in individual election. Otherwise, why was Jesus preaching to them? What about the Jews who believed after Pentecost? Remember, Paul said those hardened were not beyond being saved, so there goes your whole claim here out the window. If they could at any point in time go from...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Totally missed my point. If they were born incapable of being saved, why would God have to harden them against him?
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Both. We can not save ourselves, but we must humble ourselves in order for God to save us. So it's not about our work, but our submission to God's work.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    God chose to save whosever will. In your scenario, why would God convict the world of sin? John 16:8 How could he not be willing that any perish if he just selected some by throwing dice? 2 Peter 3:9 "For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. " Titus 2 What a sad...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    All Israel will be saved doesn't mean every individual Jew. These are highly debated verses. There are some that believe that phrase means that one day the nation of Israel itself will be re-instituted and every member thereof will be a believer in God through Jesus...Others believe that this...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    This is speaking of the gospel going out the gentile world. It obviously does not negate the gentiles responsibility to respond to the gospel in order to be saved. In fact, why preach the gospel at all if God is just picking some for salvation and some for damnation? Will they not find God...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    As I said before, you don't know what corporate election is. You really should look into it instead of making uneducated statements like this one.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[f] What is it you don't understand about...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    That's not an answer. I do study the scriptures, which is why I don't buy into Calvinism.