Search results

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  1. R

    God choose Trump to Save the USA from Destruction.

    He does, but why do you believe trump is God's man? Because someone said so? He may be the lesser evil, but he's no Moses.
  2. R

    God choose Trump to Save the USA from Destruction.

    Wait, Trump is the Antichrist, but you feel sorry for him? I'm not sure he's as good as some here claim, and I'm pretty sure he's not bad enough or popular enough to be the Antichrist.
  3. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    And also tells us we are saved by grace through faith. One cannot have faith without having a freed will.
  4. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    So where do you get the corpse analogy and how literal is it? Because we are also told we are dead TO sin, but we can certainly still sin. So why would you think being dead IN sin means you can't respond to the Holy Spirit? It there's no freedom of will, then men are merely robots going through...
  5. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Omnipotence? No we don't have that. We do have a free will however. To believe otherwise makes all the biblical admonition to obey into nonsense.
  6. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    That should be your question, because I already asked you this. Why would God need to harden people who could not be saved anyway? Anyway, what we can be sure of is that it was meant for thier redemption. Remember when God hardened Pharaoh it was so that he could evangelize the Egyptians by...
  7. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Which is in itself a choice. We can humble ourselves before him or choose rebellion. That's the point.
  8. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    There's one thing wrong with your conclusion. God gives grace to everyone. Conviction is not effectual into salvation. It only allows me to see enough to say Yes or no to God's offer. Christ died once for all. Not for some selected few.
  9. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    I did. Did you not claim Jacob was chosen for salvation and Esau was not? Throwing up a smoke screen does not hide the obvious conclusions.
  10. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    You didn't even address the question. Again, if I am chosen for salvation, can I do otherwise? No, it is a predetermined condition. There's no escaping the obvious.
  11. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    So they gained approval. I don't see how that changes the meaning. The only way one can read it your way is if he wants to deny that a person can choose or reject God's leading. If commended for the work they did, that would be the work that's the result of choosing to be faithful. No difference.
  12. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    I already did. Their hardening was a punishment for their disobedience. The elect as referring to individuals are simply those who chose to believe, as I already showed. In case you missed it: First, you need to read Chapter 10. "Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for...
  13. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    I'm not arguing against God's sovereignty. The question isn't what God can do, it's what scripture tells us he actually does. The Bible places the choice for eternal life or eternal damnation on man, not on God. Joshua 24:15 And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day...
  14. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    That's exactly what you claimed in the case of Jacob and Esau, so quit blowing smoke.
  15. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    If one is elected for salvation, can he be damned? If one is passed by for salvation, can he be saved? Then, any choice in regards to the most important thing in life, eternal life, is not available in either of these situations. You are arguing for theological determinism, although you refuse...
  16. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    No, not every individual Jew rejected Jesus. This is why we can't take the hardening of the Jews as absolute.
  17. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    I'm suggesting that scripture says all men are without excuse because God has been revealed to them. If God has not been revealed to them, they would have the perfect excuse at judgement day. You would not punish a child for something the child was unable to prevent. Not if you were a good father.
  18. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Makes no difference one way or another. But yes, it says they were commended for thier faith. Might as well just admit you got this wrong.
  19. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    On the contrary, I used a lot of scripture, which you ignored. What purpose would there be in hardening people who were incapable of being saved? They hardened thier own hearts first. How many times did they disobey God in the OT? How many refused to see Jesus as Messiah? Yes God sent a...
  20. R

    Saved Or Predestined ???

    This doesn't mean Abraham could not choose to remain in his idolatry, as many Israelites did when God pled with them to obey him.