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This is amusing. It's the classic Calvinist trying to have his cake and eat it too scenerio. You actually say, I assume with a straight face: You see, "concerning the true Christian, the willingness is no more an issue, but a given, when they believed and surrendered their life to Jesus...

Yet you keep insisting God just gives some faith and not others. If this is the case, can one refuse the faith that God gives him?

You are confused. Jesus was sent to save his people and who are those people? Whosoever will believe! Again you are confusing being given salvation with being given grace. All are given grace, only those who respond with belief are given salvation and become the elect.

Those who came before were saved by faith in the promise of a coming messiah. Christ's atonement saved those, just as it saves the ones who believed after his resurrection.

16You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. This was spoken to all the disciples. They were all appointed to go and bear fruit, and as far as we know, even Judas...

Does this mean a sinner can do nothing good? Not. An unregenerate person can be very Christ like at times. There's common grace and there's saving grace.

Which you claim is not ours to produce. So in your world, no one can meet God's standard unless God causes him too. Yet scripture says: "The apostles said to the Lord, increase our faith!” 6 And the Lord said, “If you had faith like a grain of mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree...

Yet you just said there is irresistible grace. You are essentially Calvinist. How many times do I have to point that out to you to get it through your head?

No, but God can foresee his belief and decide to give him a job. God doesn't have to determine everything to get his way in some things.

Um yeah, Paul promotes evangelizing. Doesn't change a thing. Everyone who calls on God is saved. And God calls all. Not all hear and believe. Or perhaps you could explain what the difference is, if not I'll go on believing there's no difference.

You just contradicted your self here. First you agree they are for believers (Abraham' s spiritual decendants and then you say it's not. I have no idea what that means.

Yes, but it's conditional on thier willingness to cooperate with his work, as the verse tells us.

Obviously, you have a different interpretation of what this preservation is. I have not had much sleep the last two days, so will find a commentary that expresses my belief of what this means. See Psalm 41:2 for example. Barnes commentary: " acts of piety will be partially rewarded on the...

No, you were appealing to mystery. There is no mystery in the theory of individual election, BTW. It's simple. God chose some for heave and some for hell and that's that. So, throwing up smoke screens is always done to conceal that stark ugliness of a bad doctrine. Sure, he chose people with...

No. It's a staple of the Calvinist belief system, but it's not biblical.

If you are not chosen to be saved from death, by default you are chosen for death. I'm sure it would not be a great comfort that you tell the person who is drowning that you don't choose death for them, you just refuse to offer them a way to live.

As I already said, he was chosen for an apostle because God knew he would believe. This has nothing to do with him being elected to salvation. If I'm chosen for a task because someone knows I will obey and do the task, does that mean they chose my obedience for me?

There's a difference between faith being God's doing and faith coming from God? If I give you something, it's not my doing that you have been given it? What?

9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who...

Where did I run away from the issue? I have no clue what you are talking about. God preserves believers, not nonbelievers, what is hard to understand about that? In fact, you have not even addressed that fact. You assume this preservation means that God somehow CAUSES them to remain faithful...