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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Lol, again you try to read the verse backward. Those who receive him are the ones who are then born of God, not the other way around.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    That's not what scripture says. Multiple verses that I quoted multiple times say that we must believe in order to be saved. Faith isn't irresistibly given to us, or we could not be commended for faith nor would we be admonished to increase in faith.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    20A large house contains not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay. Some indeed are for honorable use, but others are for common use. 21So if anyone cleanses himself of what is unfit, he will be a vessel for honor: sanctified, useful to the Master, and prepared for every...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    I already told you who the children of the promise are. What's the point of repeating the obvious? So, people who are unchosen are going to hell for their sin, even though they had no way to avoid sinning? How does that work, exactly? Is a rabbit to blame for having long ears? Is a pig to blame...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    If you don't understand that this is about Israel and the gentiles instead of about individual election, you will always misunderstand the entire chapter, and beyond. This is why Calvinist thinkers tend to totally skip the first five verses, and often the last few verses and only pull out the...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    That's not what scripture says, so why would I believe it? Methinks you had some Calvinist influence and they never identified themselves as Calvinist. Happens a lot. It's a slanted, off kilter way to read God's Word.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    The Jewish people. Whosever will believe in him.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    If faith is a result of salvation, then how does it come before salvation?
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Paul preached the gospel of the Kingdom to the Jews and was repeatedly rejected (Acts 13—28); in consequence, Paul brought the good news to the Gentiles, who in turn became Abraham’s spiritual seed by faith and heirs of the promises to Abraham and his seed (Galatians 3—4).
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    "Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to Israel? No, for not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God’s people! This means that Abraham’s physical descendants are not necessarily children of God. Only the children of the promise are considered to be...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Is every Jew going to be saved or not? Yes, gentiles are included in Israel if they are in Christ.
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    Are you going to answer my question?
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Anyone would ask this question if they were sentenced to hell with no hope of salvation. But since that's not what Paul was even talking about here, but rather, this was his reply to a rebellious Jew, you are totally missing the point. As for God being the Potter, cross reference the other...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    No no, he doesn't just stop talking about Israel at verse five. Why do you think he's explaining all this about how God worked through Israel? Most of the chapter is about Israel. Read the conclusion to understand why...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    If it talks like a Calvinist, it's a Calvinist. If you claim all thier beliefs, you are one whether you accept the title or not.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Election to heads of nations. There's nothing here about salvation.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Lol, I already covered this. Yes they are born of God, but it only happens after belief. What you said here doesn't even address this fact.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Right here: " you said,"By grace through faith means faith is a cause of salvation." No sir. Faith is not a cause of salvation. As I said, it is part of the salvation of God, not the cause. The cause of salvation is God, not faith. For it is God who saves and therefore the cause of it." God...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    And the Children of promise are those who pursue God by means of faith. 30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not...