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Lol, I already explained this multiple times. If you insist on being thick, fine. Everyone else reading has already understood the obvious. Go back and reread verses 1-5. Physical, national Israel has clearly been the topic of Paul's and his readers' shared concern. Now, in these verses, Paul...

What does it have to do with Jacob over Esau? I just explained that. "The LORD said to her, "Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger." The election here is to them being...

For those who don't understand Calvinism, take a good look at Tong's post here and what it actually means. It means that God has faith in God and that saves people, well, only some people, who God decides to have faith in himself for. Is this what scripture says? No, it says that without faith...

So, you take this to mean every individual Jew is automatically saved? What need is there for a Savior for Israel then?

Again make up your mind. Either it's fated or it's not. I can not do anything " naturally" if my every action and thought is pre chosen.

Oh so now the script isn't all written for us after all! Make up your mind. If the script is all written for us, that obviously includes all our sinning. You can't have it both ways.

Was this promise unconditional? Did everyone that was Israel receive this promise?

You are nitpicking. Stay on point. The point is that this choosing was not for salvation. We don't know if Esau was eventually saved or not. It was choosing who would be head of the nation. You are trying to make it about God choosing Esau for hell and Jacob for eternal life.

I am in context. The context is the explanation of how God brought about the plan of salvation. Paul is referring to this verse: "The LORD said to her, "Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older...

No, we are given the ability to have faith, but we must exercise that ability. Yes faith is first then salvation. By grace through faith means faith is a cause of salvation. Although salvation itself is a gift, it is conditional on faith. "in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed--a...

Jesus will return and the judgment will happen. Not a secret wisking away of Christians first.

So, then, in your fatalistic system, which actually is nowhere in scripture, BTW, where the script has all been written and all my sins are caused by God, it should be obvious that if I disagree with you or mock your ideas, you have a problem with God, not me. But, here in the real world, what...

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We already covered this. Did esau ever serve Jacob? No, this is talking about Israel and Edom.

There's no black or white people there's only American and anti American ideals. There's plenty of darker skinned folk doing just fine under capitalism. The cream always rises to the top, and race has nothing to do with it. In your new Utopia, there will only be more ghetto unless the...

And whoever you have to kill, what ever violence you have to do is fine?

That's very Christian of you. I don't even hate the Marxist BLM leaders. I just pity them for their ignorance of what is really good for Americans.

Where did I say God would not do according to his will and purpose? I just said that the overall point was that God could work out his plan by any means he chooses. The question of whether God was righteous comes because apparently some were doubting that God was truly keeping his promises. Paul...

Jacob was chosen as the head of Israel. You read it backwards, it's about God's faithfulness not Jacob being a great man. If Jacob had totally failed God could have worked with someone else, but God obviously knew Jacob was the one for the job.

This refers to the two nations. When in scripture did Esau serve Jacob? He didn't. The prophecy is that Edom will serve Israel.