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  1. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I see, so when you tell me what I should believe it's Jesus talking? but what, when JW tell me what I should believe it's just what JW are saying, not Jesus? I myself agree with what JW teach and that it's from the scriptures. You nor anyone else has to agree with that, just as long as you...
  2. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I agree with them if that's what you're trying to say. They don't force anyone to believe anything if that's what you're trying to say or imply. But listen what your saying to me. You and others are telling me I must listen to you and believe what you believe or tell me to believe. Otherwise I'm...
  3. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I don't believe, as I said before, that God used his Holy Spirit to have something written down in black and white, that was a lie. When a scripture that is written down in black and white which says that Jesus was praying to his Father, who is the Lord of heaven and earth, that's what I'm going...
  4. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I believe what's written down in scripture not someones interpretation, although they have a right to their interpretation. I've always believed in people's right to their beliefs or choice of how they interpret scriptures or reason on the scriptures, but when a scripture clearly shows that...
  5. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Justbyfaith said What is the definition of the son that was given? His name shall be called, among other things, "the everlasting Father." (Isaiah 9:6-7). Have you considered that there is one Lord in holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5, 1 Corinthians 8:6); and that that Lord is the Father (Matthew...
  6. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    This scripture is teaching that we must believe Jesus who is the Only Begotten Son of God is the messiah/Christ who came and died for our sins and God resurrected 3 days after Jesus death. Other Bibles translate this. Scripture, you must believe "I am he", not "I AM" or "the great I AM". I keep...
  7. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Wow, that's, just lame. They do have a website you know. Don't have to download anything. I'll give you this answer but only this one cause, like I said, the answer you gave me above is lame. I don't think if I gave a long list of scriptures you would believe, so this is all I'll give and if...
  8. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    The Bible exhorts worshippers to speak in agreement, to avoid divisions, and to be “fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.” (1 Corinthians 1:10) Those words would make little sense if God wanted people to worship him only as individuals apart from one another. Hebrews...
  9. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Yes God teaches a way of life, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a visible organization. He brought the nation of Israel into existence did he not. God brought the messianic kingdom into existence that he made his Only Begotten Son king of. God is the one who chooses who will be kings...
  10. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Yeah right, you think you're saying something I haven't heard from by many people before you? There are many people other than you who basically say, " we don't believe we know," yet they all don't believe the same. You have a belief just like everyone else, no matter how much you don't want to...
  11. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    ReChoired, post: 673519, member: 8441"]That is because you subscribe to the WTS teaching on creation, which tries to marry uniformitarianism, into it, through 'ages' in the 'days' of Genesis. For instance, the WTS places death (animal) in the world before Adam's sin: “... Did Adam understand...
  12. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Yes I understand how you believe, I've met many like you, grew up with many like you. You know what I didn't know about them? That they, like so many today, believe Jesus Christ to be God, not the Only Begotten Son of God as the scriptures say he is. People can believe as they want, that's their...
  13. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I don't think I said Adam was the foundation of the world. I think I was saying that the phrase, before the foundation of the world in the subject we were discussing is that I said I believe it to be a time period after Adam and Eve sinned but before they started having children. Saying Adam...
  14. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Well anyone who truly wants to know what, as you call it, the WTS/JWTheory is, can get the JW App (JW.org) and find out for themselves what they're saying on these matters. I think it strange that people don't know the Jehovah's witnesses have an app that costs you nothing to download and use...
  15. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Obviously you didn't read what I said concerning the phrase, "before the foundation of the world and what it means. You seem to believe that it's talking about before God created this planet, which is your right to believe, I just don't agree with that. I believe the phrase, "before the...
  16. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I believe there will be a resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous during the 1000 years but not after the 1000 years if that's what you're saying. I believe those who are thrown into the lake of fire are those that after Satan and his demons are released from the Abyss after the thousand...