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  1. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    What I know is you will twist what a person says by only quoting only part of what I wrote. If you going to quote me quote all of it not just part of it. Also admit you're like the rest of us and you're an imperfect human like the rest of us and you're not infallible when it comes to your...
  2. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I understand you have your interpretation/definition etc of what, "before the foundation of the world," means. I just don't agree with your interpretation/definition or how you reason on the scriptures regarding the phrase "before the foundation of the world." Other Bibles translate this phrase...
  3. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I agree with everything you said except that I don't believe the lamb who is Jesus was slain before the beginning of time, the lamb was slain yes, I just don't believe he was slain before the beginning of time. You'll most likely come back with some scriptures to prove your point on this...
  4. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Yes, but all that means to me is that all these people who believe that humans have something, some part of them that survives death and goes either to heaven, which is a beautiful place or hell which people say is a place of fiery torment are interpreting the scriptures wrong. So those God...
  5. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    You have the literature you use for study and that's fine, but for me no one using the scriptures have proved to me from the scriptures that what I believe and say on the matter of this particular subject that I'm wrong. I understand I'm an imperfect person like everyone else and I'm not...
  6. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I know you were speaking about those who are thrown into the lake of fire. I'm saying that not even those who are thrown into the lake of fire have consciousness, they instead are destroyed out of existence just as Hades and death are destroyed out of existence when thrown into the lake of fire.
  7. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Yes I understand you were talking about those who were resurrected in the thousand year Reign of Jesus Christ and that at the end of that thousand years Satan and his demons are set free from the abyss for a short period of time and influences some to follow him and those who follow him along...
  8. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I believe the scriptures tell us that death is the punishment for sin. I think that means when you die you pay the price for every sin you've committed, so if God judges you worthy of a resurrection especially if you're considered unrighteous you're not judged for the sins you committed before...
  9. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I'm asking you that when God destroys someone not worthy of life like he did when he judged and destroyed people at the time of the flood or at Sodom and Gomorrah or when he judges and destroys them at armmageddon don't you think that judgement to be final? Is there something wrong with God's...
  10. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Who is the Whore of babylon

    I believe Jerusalem of old has a modern-day counterpart in the organized religion of Christendom. This religious organization claims to worship the God of the Bible, but, instead, it has made itself part of the world empire of false religion. The prophecy identifies that empire as “Babylon the...
  11. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    While I can certainly agree that when the flood happened that people fled in terror and some took a period of time to die since drowning isn't instant death it takes a little while to die by drowning. People probably died killing each other to save their family for the highest ground too which...
  12. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    When God judges people as not worthy of life and he destroys them, like during the flood and at Sodom and Gomorrah and when he destroys them at Armageddon doesn't God make sure these people have a chance to change and avoid destruction before he acts? Noah while building that ark told the people...
  13. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Who is the Whore of babylon

    The Jerusalem you're speaking about is corrupt Jerusalem, doing the things Satan wants to be done therefore a part of false religion. Because of Jerusalem's continued unfaithfulness Jerusalem and it's temple were destroyed by the Babylonian Empire which started the, "times of the gentiles". What...
  14. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I understand how someone may not want to use the word eternity, when translating certain Hebrew or greek words, but with speaking out against using the words that are translated eternity don't you think that you're also saying no one gets eternal life?
  15. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    I believe these people who are surrounding the Saints and the beloved city are the people that Satan and his demons influence to rebel against God after the 1000 year Reign of Jesus Christ. It looks to me that the scriptures show that Satan will be set free from the Abyss for a short period of...
  16. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Who is the Whore of babylon

    When John was inspired to write revelation concerning the mystery of Babylon he was writing about future things which would be happening during the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ I believe, so I believe the whore of Babylon represents the world Empire of false religion which I do...
  17. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    Yes but Esau wasn't weeping because he was repented and now cared about what God cared about. Esau was a materialistic man and cared only about the riches the firstborn blessing would have given him. Jacob was the one who cared about the things God cared about.
  18. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    From what I read in the scriptures I believe when someone's dies be it a righteous person or unrighteous person they all go to Hell/Hades/Sheol and have no consciousness until the Resurrection, which starts at the second presence or second coming of Jesus Christ. I don't believe The getting...
  19. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    What you state here applies also to those who believe in conscious torment after death. The beliefs you believe in are showing everyone the God you believe in. If you believe that those who believe God to be a person who destroys the unrighteous in complete nonexistence to be wrong but are found...
  20. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, biblical or not?

    To me it seems not only are you saying then, that God didn't bring everything into existence, but what he has brought into existence, he can't destroy completely out of existence simply because the laws of this universe which you speak of which God brought into existence. Do you truly believe...