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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    They weren't his sheep...they were "Not of God” [in John 8] this means that these Jews were not in right covenant relationship with the Father when they encountered Christ and His claims. Since they didn’t know the Father they naturally would not recognize the perfect expression of the Father...
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    And that only happens after we believe. Of course the term "born-again" is metaphorical. We become born again by grace through faith and if we lose faith we are no longer born again. Does God give people second chances? Yes, I've seen it happen.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Yes, in context this verse refers to physical Israel in their physical land. But we are now Israel too. It still applies in the sense of showing us what God requires of us for healing of the spiritual nature also.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    You mean: 16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”? Because that is what the verse says. This is about God being just as generous with the one who only serves him for a short time. I'm not sure how that relates? Those who believe are the chosen ones.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    I'm not disturbed and offended at God. God does pick certain people throughout the Bible for certain jobs. Does he pick them because of something he sees within them? It sure seems that way. But, even then it's not necessarily because they are better people, IMO. God picked Isaac over Esau. Why...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    The verses you quote are there to explain how God worked out the plan of salvation, in spite of man's rebellion. They are not about individual election. Notice that the objector asks who resists God's will? The answer is: everyone does. The point here is that God brought about salvation for the...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    If you did the first one, you would not really be doing what the verse said. If you truly believe in your heart that Christ is who he says he is, repentance will naturally follow... We all live sinful lives to some degree however.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    If you did that, you would not be believing in the Christ of scripture...so you would not be doing what the verse said.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    We are all lost unless or until we respond to his call and become found. There's no respecting of persons with God.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Really? You want me to believe Jesus wasn't talking to the people he was talking to? See how absurd it gets when you start down this road of some being chosen for salvation? I can prove you wrong with just a couple verses: "Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand...
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    "I don't like even being around them"

    Being raised Weslyan Methodist, I can tell you it's a hard mindset to overcome. Luckily I had a Mom who thought outside the box, in spite of being in that church. She would tell us that God judges the heart, not the outward appearance. We have had some super Mennonite friends ( not buggy...
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    "I don't like even being around them"

    Well that's part of Amish culture. They used to just shun people, and maybe still do, but their judging of who is in and who is out is very much based on appearance. I saw the same thing among Weslyan Methodist. It's all about how you dress and act. It creates judgemental people. A woman who...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    This is the order given in scripture over and over again, but the Calvinists always try to reverse it and say you have to be regenerated in order to be regenerated. Guess you all think we have to be saved twice.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Anyone can become "of Israel" Jew or Gentile alike. So, God's people has now been revealed as being all peoples on the earth who respond to his call.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    As long as you ignore most of the Bible perhaps you can make this statement with a straight face. It's such an absurd statement I can only suggest that you throw away your "I'm chosen for salvation." glasses and read the Bible as written. Look at Matthew 22:14 ("Many are called but few are...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    What was so special about you, that God chose you over someone else? Lots of false teachers say they hear God's voice, too. The fact is, you can't know if you are chosen or not if God is just picking some for his team and rejecting others for no discernable reason.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    It's not either/or. There's no conflict between God saving you by grace and requiring you to believe in order to be saved or remain saved. And this is why you refuse to answer the question because you know that the Bible tells us over and over and over again that faith is required for salvation...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Like I said before, you read it backward. Why tell someone that "My sheep hear My voice." unless you are asking them to listen and become sheep? In your backward system, I guess Jesus is just mocking people who are incapable of responding to him? And also, as I said before, if even one of those...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Of course God initiates a relationship with people. And Jesus came to seek and save that which was lost, which is every human on earth, not a few selected individuals. "For God so loved the World." isn't "For God so loved a few people in the world."
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    You are way out of context here: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are...