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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Thanks for the confirmation. He wasn't saying they could not choose to believe and at the same time asking why they didn't. Now you are making Jesus out to be schizophrenic.
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    Was it God's plan for Israel to disobey? Again, read the Jeremiah passage about the Potter and clay. God says he makes his plans according to what men do. "and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned." Jeremiah 18:8
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    Scripture says he was the only choice:" This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God." If there were others who were like Noah, would God have not allowed them on the ark? Remember God's...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Yes to the first. It's both. The second one I already answered.
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    No, you just don't like the implications that people are responsible for what kind of vessels they are. Even though that's exactly what Romans 9 says too. Israel were vessels of wrath, why? Jeremiah tells us why. Because of thier disobedience.
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    Per verse 7, God owns the vineyard, which is Israel. Justice and righteousness are good grapes while oppression and a cry for help are wild grapes. (or thorns) The point is that God did all he could do that they would be good fruit. Whether you want to say the plants are people or the nation as...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    In other words, you have no response.
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    Romans 10:17 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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    Lol, talk about a non-answer! They were sons of the devil. Why? Because they failed to have true faith in God, even though they had the Torah. We are all sons of the devil unless we are seeking after God in truth, not just in appearance. This doesn't answer the question. You say you don't think...
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    For I have known him, to the end that he may command his children and his household after him, that they may keep the way of Jehovah, to do righteousness and justice; to the end that Jehovah may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. Genesis 18:19 Genesis 17:9 God also said to...
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    I never said God found himself without a choice, you just made that up. I said Noah was pretty much the only choice in his generation, according to scripture. And that's why God chose him. God could have chosen to wipe out everyone and start over if there were no righteous people.
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    I've answered this multiple times. God chose Israel as the one He would work with. God said through the prophet Isaiah, “Yet hear now, O Jacob My servant, and Israel whom I have chosen” (Isaiah 44:1). So why did God choose Israel? There are two basic reasons: God was fulfilling a promise to...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    You create a false dichotomy. God chooses all, but not irresistibly. Not all chose him in return, so most are not saved.
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    2 Timothy 2:20A large house contains not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay. Some indeed are for honorable use, but others are for common use. 21So if anyone cleanses himself of what is unfit, he will be a vessel for honor: sanctified, useful to the Master, and prepared...
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    Are you trying to say that they were all saved, but just produced poor fruits? Because that's not the context.
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    Election of Esau and Jacob as already shown was to head of nations, not to salvation. Did God choose for Israel to rebel against him? If so, why did both the Father and Son lament about their rebellion? You can't have it both ways. You make God schizophrenic. God doesn't have two wills, that's...
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    Since you misunderstand this passage, maybe you should compare your understanding of it with the many places in Scripture where God claims people don't do his will. Such as: "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your...
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    Ezekiel 18:30-32 “Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new...
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    Then why were the "not of God"? Could they be saved or not? You have been beating the individual election drum all along, unless you have some other explanation why they were not of God, which you have not revealed.
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    You are looking at it backwards. They were not in right relationship with God the Father, so they refused to accept his physical manifestation in the Son. This is why Jesus said that everyone who learns from the father comes to him. Obviously, this doesn't apply to every Jewish person across...