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  1. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    You are the proverbial pigeon on the chessboard. You know full well that your "evil cannot restrain evil, therefore the Restrainer cannot be the evil Roman Empire" argument is baseless in light of the examples I posted, but you stubbornly refuse to concede your error, just like the good Jesuit...
  2. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    We can discuss when the Restrainer does his work later. Now, do you still believe that the Restrainer MUST be virtuous because "evil cannot restrain evil'???
  3. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Daniel refers to the "head of gold" firstly as the singular man "Nebuchadnezzer", but in his next breath as a "kingdom" by virtue of "after you shall arise another kingdom" - "another" demands an aforementioned "other", which in this case is "Babylon". This is a Biblical precedent that a kingdom...
  4. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Excellent analysis, bro.
  5. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ATP, you refused to respond to my post except with more convoluted reasoning which I erased. Now, please respond to the following this time or admit your flawed reasoning: God used an evil "lying spirit" to destroy evil Ahab and thus restrain the evil wrought by his hand. God, also used evil...
  6. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Though Christianity was legal when Rome fell in 476 A.D., it was "pagan Christianity" which is not Christianity at all. The Vandals destroyed "Christian" idols and statues, hence the name "vandalism". Papal Rome was just a continuation of that paganism mingled with Christianity. A woman in...
  7. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    I might believe in a future one-man Antichrist and a future 70th Week if I were as confused about the issues as you are, ATP, but I'm not a Jesuit Futurist nor do I follow their corrupt interpretations like you, ATP. I am a PROTESTANT HISTORICIST and will never join you in your support for an...
  8. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    God used an evil "lying spirit" to destroy evil Ahab and thus restrain the evil wrought by his hand. God, also used evil Jehu, who refused to walk in the way of God, to kill evil Jezebel and thus accomplish the same. It should now be clear to you that you are subjectively assigning virtue to...
  9. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, you want Jesus as your Savior but not as your Lord. This cannot be. OSAS is the religion of Cain - a belief that one may obtain God's favor on his own terms instead of Jesus' terms. God says we must daily "abide in the Vine" but OSAS says "abiding or not abiding, I will be saved." OSAS...
  10. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    I don't ignore anything, ATP. I'm well aware of the verses used by Jesuit Futurists to "prove" their theory. They are as laughable now as they were when the Protestant Reformers - men who were prepared to die horrible deaths for the truth - rejected them FOR OVER 300 YEARS. If someone accused me...
  11. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    He "has to be an ally of God" is the most subjective statement I've seen about the Restrainer. Did the fallen angel who volunteered to be Ahab's "lying spirit" become His ally? (Loyal angels "do His commandments" which excludes lying - Psalms 103:20 KJV). Did the Babylonians become His ally...
  12. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Hello? Paul told the Early Church who the Restrainer was and the Early Church tells us that he spoke of Pagan Rome. The only deficiency in proof is what YOU claim, ATP. I marvel how a person who hasn't one shred of evidence to place in the scale (except for wholly subjective interpretation of...
  13. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    How can you say "Maybe He wanted us to figure it out for ourselves" when HE ALREADY REVEALED ITS IDENTITY TO THE THESSALONIANS? Do you even understand that Paul plainly says he told the hundreds or even thousands of Thessalonians believers the identity of the Restrainer when he had previously...
  14. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    I've ALWAYS expounded Historicism, you've just not been taking the time to see it. And I've never advocated Jesuit Preterism or Jesuit Futurism. Also, I've never claimed the "Pope" is the Antichrist - that's not Historicism. The entire PAPAL SYSTEM is the Antichrist and its identity is not...
  15. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    No, what makes no sense is why Paul - a man who not once ever failed to fearlessly proclaim the power of God to rulers and kings - was so reluctant to shout from the rooftop via his 2nd letter to the Thessalonians that the power of God was holding back the rise of Antichrist. What makes perfect...
  16. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Why do you continue to offer explanations as to why you think Michael is the Restrainer as an answer to my question of why Paul was so uncharacteristically silent about what you believe is the power of God responsible for holding back the rise of Antichrist?
  17. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    OK, but first would you please attempt to offer a reasonable explanation to my question about Paul's uncharacteristic failure to proclaim what you claim is the power of God holding back the Antichrist?
  18. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    No, ATP, it is you who choose to remain ignorant of the truth that we are saved by grace but we are judged by our works (this has nothing to do with God "determining the number of stars in our crowns, but whether we are saved or lost) because our works are the evidence of whether He Who has...
  19. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    I'm not asking you for a convoluted explanation of why you think Michael is the Restrainer. I'm asking you to answer a very simple question which arises if you are right that Michael is the Restrainer and the Early Church Fathers are wrong in their claim that Paul told the Thessalonians that it...