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  1. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Well, the Bible associates works with justice: "Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that sayeth, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him." 1 John 2:3-4 KJV "Behold I come quickly and My reward is with Me to give to every...
  2. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    The idea that "God's grace doesn't change me, just God's opinion of me" is simply not correct. God know who is striving against sin and who freely indulges it with a clear conscience. Grace is always proffered to the former, but never the latter. "Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving...
  3. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Why have you failed to produce even one historical source from the ECF that shows there was a belief that some Agent of Holiness is the Restrainer? Why is it that they unanimously taught that the Restrainer was the Roman Empire if something different was disseminated? And why are the ideas of...
  4. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    God was "70 times 7" patient with Israel from Artaxerxes' decree until the stoning of Stephen, and they blew it. They are done. "Spiritual Israel", the church, is now the recipient and depositor of the truth, the blessings, the lively oracles, and the promises, so clearly stated in the New...
  5. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ATP, the woman of Revelation 12 is not Israel, it is the church, which fled into the wilderness for 1,260 years during the reign of Papal terror which slaughtered an estimated 150 MILLION Christians for refusing to go along with Papal dogmas, the wine in the cup of the Papal whore of Revelation...
  6. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Don't try to weasel your way around this. OSAS fully teaches that obedience doesn't matter, all that matters is that you "believe" whatever that means, and magically you may engage in exactly the same sinful acts as a non-believer while enjoying perpetual absolution of them while the...
  7. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    God never says those who continue in sin are saved. "If we sin willfully after receiving a knowledge of the truth, there is no more sacrifice for sin, but a certain looking for of judgment." OSAS people are the ones annoyed by the truth, so they have manufactured a demonic deception that...
  8. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    "If ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Not literal Israel.) "They are not all Israel that are of Israel." (Still not literal Israel.) "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But...
  9. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ATP, when will you learn that the wall of partition between Jew and Gentile has been broken down? Enough with these ridiculous claims that Israel as a nation has a role to play in end time prophecy! Israel is now the church, for only those in Christ are "Abraham's Seed"! That's why Paul says...
  10. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    This is EXACTLY what you teach. You teach salvation is unconditional as long as we "believe" that Jesus died and rose again, as long as we "believe" sin is wrong. Brother, if all you do is "believe" you've got nothing on the devils, for they "believe" yet tremble. We all believe that Jesus is...
  11. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Of course this debate is meaningless to someone who has chosen to believe Jesuit Futurism, which teaches that when the Mark of the Beast test comes, the church will be gone. But, to those who reject Jesuit Futurism's "7 Year Tribulation one-man Antichrist" and see in prophecy a Papal...
  12. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    You're still not getting it. The text can just as easily be read to say that the 70 Weeks are necessary for the accomplishment of the six tasks, not that the six tasks must be accomplished before the end of the 70 weeks. Get it? The 70 Weeks were necessary to show forth the coming of the...
  13. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Is English your mother tongue? What are you talking about? Where does it say the six tasks must be completed before the 70 Weeks end?
  14. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Why? Where does it say that them must be completed after Jesus arrives during the 70 WEeks?? The text can EASILY be read to mean that the 70 Weeks are necessary for the arrival of the One Who alone is able to bring about the accomplishment of those six tasks, but you refuse to acknowledge any...
  15. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ATP, Job says that Satan will not make any covenants with God's people because he is "king of all the children of pride" which does not refer to the saints. Why do you refuse to believe Scripture when it tells you that JESUS CHRIST is the "MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT" Who is to come to His temple...
  16. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    You are not a Protestant, but a hopelessly devoted Jesuit Futurist who believes that the Catholic church's eschatological interpretation of Jesuit Futurism is to be trusted, although you readily admit that Jesuits can't even get right the most fundamental teaching of Christianity: salvation by...
  17. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    What "covenant of Death"? The one that applied to ancient Israel? Which has long since expired? Honestly, do you even know the difference between reading the Bible OBJECTIVELY and SUBJECTIVELY?
  18. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ??? You are so obtuse! It says "70 Weeks are determined...to" accomplish six things. Where does it say that the six things MUST be accomplished by a certain time? It does not. It merely says that the 70 Weeks and the events therein are necessary to accomplish them - the focus of those weeks...
  19. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    You still refuse to admit your bogus reasoning that "evil cannot restrain evil" when I've shown you how God used an evil "lying spirit" and evil Jehu to restrain the evil of Ahab and Jezebel? Your Cognitive Dissonance has kicked in overdrive.
  20. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Wrong again. The prophecy does not demand that the six tasks be completed by the end of the 70 Weeks, but that the 70 Weeks bring us to the active Agent Who will eventually accomplish these six tasks - the Messiah. You Jesuit Futurists subjectively demand that these tasks must be accomplished by...