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As far as I can go with this elect few who God chooses, is that of course God can do anything He wants and, yes, He knew us from before the foundation of the earth. I do believe God does know who will and who will not follow His only begotten Son. So, I do believe in the case of Jacob and...

I think it had allot to do with the culture in Jesus time. Women were considered lesser than men and, I think that is why they were not chosen in the 12 because, most Jews back then would not give them a second look. But then, how do we reconcile the scripts. about the "order of the...

"for me this is actually the biggest philosophical difference within" Yes, and IMHO-because of the implication you and I find And, you have every right in the world to choose to believe that :)

Just reading C.S. Lewis's Screwtape Letters will give a great picture of how Satan and the demons work.

I am familiar with Christ's 1000 year reign on this earth, from Jerusalem. I was just wondering if you had any scripture where it states: children and all mankind will be on this earth after being ressurected. The question would be, when would the 1000 year reign take place, and who would be...

Just thought I'd throw it out there-I have no idea why people in the N.C. are not tested in the way they were in the Old.

Seems that you and I will be in agreement on this! :)

I was simply stating a past fact about a man, not shift anything and not at all making it all about Calvin. I understand that Augustine had an influence on Calvin and other Reformers...it is the doctrine and not the men behind it that I have issue with.

AMEN, agreed-the piece was written well and not nasty. And, I am pleased as punch that so far as I have read, haven't gotten to all the reply's yet, there seems to be no nastiness (maybe a few small pellets, but no cannon balls, lol). "and each view has has great implications on the...

"Also, the power of the Gospel and the power of the Holy Spirit are denied in bringing men to salvation. Instead Five Point Calvinism teaches that sinners are regenerated BEFORE they have believed the Gospel. That is patently false." I had not thought of this before! Yes, it makes Christ's...

Yeah, and he used green wood to burn to prolong the pain...

I totally agree that no man can come to God without the Holy Spirit convicting and convincing them of their need for a savior. And, I also believe God's Spirit is doing just that for every single human being.

As far as I am concerned, I myself DO understand Calvinism very well...too well. I spent much of my time over the decades studying both sides as I was unstable in my understanding. I had hoped my OP would not be seen as an "attack" was only looking for a mature debate-we all believe...

I would agree...proof is in the pudding...Fruits.

I know it cannot compare to Abraham and Isaac but, how about Peter walking on water?

I think it is important to just recognize and discern what is not of God. We can recognize the enemy's wiles if we know God's word...IMO. :)

"imo proclaim your faith in every action that is witnessed, and let them come ask you" <--- Spot on! 1 Peter 3:15 “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:”

From being involved for about 2.5 years in a Reformed Baptist church in which my pastor was/is a 5 pointer. For the 6 or so weeks of listening to his sermons, I decided to make an appointment with him, just to introduce myself and give him a little background from whence I came (I love that...

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That sounds promising, but I am not familiar with scripture saying this. And, I'm sure it is complicated to explain through script. if having to do with eschatology. But, if you have some script. I could check it out...It would be nice to know this is true. Thanks!