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Yes, he was justified the whole time; from God's perspective of seeing the end from the beginning.

It does with me. Abraham is the prime example that Paul gives for someone in the OT who was justified by faith, as a prototype for New Testament righteousness. Also, Israel was the "church in the wilderness" (Acts of the Apostles 7:38).

Says who? You? All scripture is given by inspiration of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness...

Then I suppose we agree to disagree.

Abraham was justified by faith (Genesis 15:6). And it is a principle of scripture (Romans 8:30) that those who are truly justified will be glorified; and that this glorification is so indeed certain that it is related to us in the past tense. Therefore, since those who are justified shall...

I don't think either one of them was justified in the first place. I believe Jesus chose Judas to be His disciple because it was foreordained that He should die on the Cross; and someone had to betray Him. Judas was a devil (John 6:70-71). Balaam was a false prophet from the beginning; who...

Even in the NT, the prodigal son, while still a son, out in the pigpen, was both dead and lost. But it was very likely foreknown that he would return to his father. Thus he was a prodigal, and justified, so that he was inevitably glorified (Romans 8:30); because he was foreknown and thereby...

Can you give me an example?

Those who had faith in the coming Messiah in the OT were placed in Abraham's bosom; where they waited for Jesus to descend and then lead them captive to heaven when He ascended (per Ephesians 4:8, Psalms 68:18). Now, for those who are justified after the death, burial, and resurrection of...

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In the OT, Abraham was justified (declared righteous) by faith...Genesis 15:6. (See also Isaiah 51:1-2 and Habakkuk 2:4 (kjv)). So you are positing that justification does not = salvation. Much of the assurance in the Bible of salvation is thus stripped away by your theology. re #482...

Every cherry has within it a seed that can be planted that will produce a cherry tree, that will produce more cherries, so that the cycle can be repeated... So I wouldn't discount the value of cherry-picking verses!

My understanding of that verse is that the fool denies the existence of the Lord in his heart because he does not understand how God can both be Omnipotent and loving in light of the evil that we see in the world. So, it is not that only the fool is the subject of total depravity...for...

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See 1 Corinthians 1:18, 1 Corinthians 1:21.

Very very soon, I am expecting...:rolleyes:

Jeremiah 32:38-40 takes care of the loophole that you find in John 10:27-30 quite nicely, however.

Right...justification happens the moment we place our faith in Jesus and what He did for us on the Cross. We pass from death into everlasting life at the moment of belief in Jesus; more specifically, when we believe on the One who sent Him, having heard His word....John 5:24 (kjv).

I'm unclear as to how you think this... ...refutes this...