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I believe that they can indeed be used as "proof texts". Of course it takes some extensive contending back and forth in order to prove that they are authoritative. However, it is written in 1 Corinthians that "tongues are a sign to unbelievers" and therefore all that is needed is for me to...

I will not mention the names of any of them that have been slandered as being the ringleaders of the group; but there are others who have similar doctrine in their teaching that are highly regarded in the church. However if I mention the names of these, their names will also be slandered, so I...

Amen, let us both continue to seek the Holy Spirit's answer with true humility and open to His truth on the matter.

It seems to me that it didn't matter to you if any of them had earned respect; because when I made known to you that some of them have respect, you reverted to the second quote, above. So why did you ask the question in the first place? My answer didn't change your opinion one whit.

I don't disagree with you. 2 Corinthians 11:8 is something that often isn't taken into consideration however, when certain men are judged.

It depends on what Bible you purchase. Some of them have it in a footnote, others don't have it at all.

I still believe in Santa, and I am 45 years old. He was a 4th century saint who may have been an overcomer designated of the Ephesian church. I believe that He gave to me and my wife a house (really it's from Jesus; but maybe Old St. Nick had something to do with it); and even though it isn't...

I beg to differ. When repentance is in a person's heart, they change who is their Lord and Master. Before coming to Christ, I was my own Lord and Master, and therefore satan had control of my life because he is all about self-rule and pride. After coming to Christ, Jesus is now the Lord of my...

In other words, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Because they have been slandered so completely that if I mentioned even one of their names, there would be an argument from your end that they in all reality do not deserve respect. Now I know that some of the "faith teachers" have been even recorded as having taught false doctrine; and I am in...

I wasn't being sarcastic in the slightest. I just didn't get the scripture reference up in time for your post.

And David Hocking may have been the 3rd according to Zechariah 11:8 (unless there was someone else that I missed). Certain of the grouping that you speak of have earned definite respect among their followers. One of them even received a key to the city of Columbia, SC a while ago...

Because apparently, you don't know what was said. You only think you do because you have read it before. But the meaning of what is written never registered in your mind (and heart).

Most assuredly, I am exalted if I am poor, and am abased if I am wealthy (James 1:9-10). However, I would point out that the wealthy are not excluded from the kingdom over their prosperity (1 Timothy 6:17-19).

What is impossible with men is possible with God.

You said that after I referenced about eight scriptures that show that "name it and claim it" is a realty in the Bible! So, don't look them up. That is your prerogative, not to have your prayers answered.

A nation living in prosperity will have within it individuals who are living in prosperity.

I think that they have gotten a bad rap to a certain degree; and that not everything that is identified as "word of faith docrtrine" is necessarily false doctrine. For example, we as believers are able to lay a hold of promises in God's word so that we can be certain of an affirmative answer to...

I wasn't saying that it is "money". However prosperity in my mind certainly refers to wealth, success, and the product of hard work.