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No. I think I need it, but don't want it.

Needing and wanting are two different things. One can want the church without needing it.

It depends. If you're that guy that walks around asking random people if they lift, then you should probably understand that most people find that annoying. :unamused:

That's not true. Everybody knows that @Riven is the king of the universe. :dusted:

I think that makes sense. One doesn't need the church to believe in God.

I was in the youth group around 20 years ago. This was during the time of the new atheists movement. Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, etc. The youth pastor I had at the time set up a debate between me and some random person. Which I imagine was somewhat unusual, but maybe her was struggling himself...

Well that's not the normal McDonald's drive thru experience. How did the topic of carpentry come up, I wonder? :IDK:

Case in point. Do you think you're forming a relationship with someone at McDonald's when you order a Big Mac? :funlaugh2

Generally speaking, I find them to be rather uneducated. They believe in nonsense and they can't even explain why they believe what they believe. Why do you think they shout so much during the sermon? It's all an act, and not even a good one

I wasn't aware we had a relationship. I'm curious, what has changed it in your mind? As you wish.

Okay... retired pastor. Up until recently you were very willing to answer my questions. But if that is no longer the case, then so be it.

By your own admission, you're an ex-pastor. That should put is on even footing.

Then the question will go unanswered because I do not trust or respect pastors.

My behavior? What are you talking about?

You should have said that in the beginning. Why do you question my motives? Isn't curiosity enough?

That's a cowardly way to dodge a question.

What good things do bad men achieve?

Oh, okay. So we're good then. :phew:

Don't say that too loud. @Matthias might hear you. :funlaugh2