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Nope You have to ASSUME the pretrib rapture verses are wrong first. Then wrongly conclude the mansions in heaven are only prepared for the new Jerusalem. All dead believers are ALREADY with him. Their spirits are in heaven. ALL DEAD BELIEVERS are in heaven now, with Jesus.including the...

This is true up to point, because the betrothal is actually at the last supper. If you follow the Jewish wedding custom for the betrothal, it mirrors the last supper vividly. Conversely, When Jesus paid the price for sin it was for the whole world. You may be correct that it was a type of a...

Not so. The betrothal is the bride and groom agreemant, for a future wedding. The last supper mirrors that betrothal vividly. In heaven, at the white horses, it is announced that the bride has become the wife sometime earlier in heaven.

Mat 24 "one taken, one left behind" Mat 25 half the virgins taken. Both groups are complete as you say. Complete groups with half taken. Jesus taught it and he put the setting of it pretrib. No carnal secular believers are taken in the pretrib rapture.

Yes. It says after the trib ANGELS GATHER. It says JESUS SENDS...obviously Jesus is not involved. Jesus STAYS...ANGELS GO GATHER. that is EXACTLY WHAT it says. Where? Where do angels( not Jesus) gather saints? From heaven and heavens atmosphere, ( THE UTTERMOST PART OF EARTH) Your selected...

Noah is gathered post flood? Lot gathered post fireballs? The baby Jesus was gathered, post Herod's baby slaughter? Should they have been gathered "after", as you are insisting?

Is this his glorious return ? Rev 19 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written...

Just read it without preconceived guard rails. Before the Pretrib rapture, the man of sin REVEALED. I am pretrib rapture adherent, and 100% agreement he is in Fact REVEALED PRIOR to the rapture. A thousand amens to that. "The last trump sounds." Amen to that. It sounds every year at the feast...

Pretribbers also believe He comes TO EARTH one time in the future. Most everyone believes that. Then by ommitting the other comings to the sky, (= earth since the atmosphere is PART OF EARTH), You have fooled yourself into your doctrine. Omission is not your friend. Omission, however, has been...

Apparently you can't. Those dynamics you added are not in the bibles obvious understanding.

The "last trumpet" is blown every year at the feast of trumpets in the fall. See, this is the problem with "cliché" end times methodology. Some smoking gun that is going to Hopefully void, ALL THE RAPTURE VERSES.

Sorry for your loss . The lake of fire is AFTER THE MILL AND OVER 1K YRS AFTER THE RAPTURE. You did not address a single rapture verse. Then say I am at a loss. You actually proved you can not unpack the verses. IOW, By saying indirectly they don't exist so there is "only one coming" Ok only...

Your passages point to a rapture DURING THE TRIB. That gathering is not in a pretrib setting. It is 100% postrib and DURING the trib. But it is not, nor can it be the pretrib rapture Jesus taught. Nor is it the second coming on white horses. So any notion that there is one coming is debunked...

Can not happen. All those points I posted are just a small section of verses. Jesus also used lot as a pretrib gathering example. Neither Noah or lot fit ANYTHING of a postrib gathering. Zero. The gatherings of Noah, Lot, the virgins gathering, and the acts 1 departure / return. All those...

The bow is representative. It represents covenant. God used a bow with the flood to SYMBOLIZE covenant. The AC comes with the covenant.( a bow used to represent it, he will not have any actual bow in his hand...but he may have a document in his hand) 7 yr covenant. In the middle of it is the...

Yes second coming is rev 19. That is not the rapture. Jesus taught it will be pretrib.

Happy birthday. Be blessed.

"One taken, one left behind" 1) preflood 2) the setting , preflood, is described by Jesus. 3) that Greek word is used as "taken to a good place" 4) Noah is gathered into the ark preflood.(pretrib). 5) Noah RETURNS FROM THE HEAVENS POSTRIB/POST FLOOD. Then postribbers need acts 1 edited to...

Uh...they are called out and classified. You can't wiggle out of it by pointing out those CLASSES are "Rebuked" BTW..."BABES" iS NOT a class of believers that is defective. It simply means they are newly saved. QUOTE " every believer is part of the same body " Yes we all know that. Paul's...

..and so you go on and on. No commentary, no verses, just venom and cursing the body of Christ. You really need that hatred to get dealt with.