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It says " like manner" Your model has no "like manner" in it. In fact you would need it to say; "see how he ascends? He will come in nothing like that manner. It will be a radically different manner " So whatever model you insist on, at least let it somewhat agree with scripture. The fact...

Except the rapture is not salvation. Those left behind are saved. They are not the bride. You think the carnal believers Paul described are not the secular pew sitters of today's church. ? Read the 7 letters to the 7 churches. Some are worthy some are not. Yet the letters are to BELIEVERS...

1 thes 4 is not rev 19, the second coming. Mat 24 " before the flood one taken, one left is the setting BEFORE THE TRIBULATION . The gathering of rev 14 is not, and can not be, either of the other 2 gatherings. So every attempt to blederize them into one coming , falls way short. Way to much...

Paul disagrees. He divided believers into "spiritual ", "carnal", and "babes". The bride is the worthy ones that go in the rapture. Jesus said "pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the Earth and stand before the son of man". If it were a passive lump, why...

If Jesus said half as a percentage in mat 24 and 25 , then that means something. Is "all go in the rapture" a part of assumption, or is there a sound argument placing all saints in the rapture?

Now why would we need to pray that? It is not a fact that the Church sits on the sidelines thinking because they accepted salvation they are exempted from being found unworthy. Jesus is telling his own flock to pray that. The rapture is the worthy saints gathered. The bride gathered by the groom.

When we pray the command of Jesus, for he said; " to pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the thing that are about to come upon the Earth and Stand before the son of man." When we pray that, we are establishing before God and man, where we are placing our faith. If we have faith that...

That dream reminds me of "vanity fair" in Pilgrims Progress. ( a book of dreams about 500 years old.) People are drunk on secularism. We that walk in the spirit see the "plasticness" of most everything in this world. "Fakeness" to us is blatant and glaring. Those not seeing it are caught up...

I don't know if I'm right about this, but it seems to me that we do get ourselves into these cave-like situations, and the way out is us to "stepping into the spirit" Where we are strengthened in power and faith, and the Holy Spirit re energized into our being. The cave is a valley in our walk...

My heart goes out to whoever lives there, but it is surely a sorry condition of that person's spirit. A dream having that type of setting is most likely a spiritual condition and the root is not pulling the weeds from the garden. ( thr cure is "time with Jesus" and being refilled with the Holy...

Jesus gives the percentage of his church that goes, and the percentage that stays, in mat 24 and 25. He gives it twice, almost in the same breath. Once you understand what the rapture is, Jesus words make sense. That is why most everyone here changes the parable of the virgins. They need to...

They are, without a doubt, waiting for the false Christ, plus denying the arrival of Christ until AFTER , their expectation of the fake Christ. In fact, mocking pretribbers FOR WAITING FOR JESUS, is part of their doctrine. The Christian walk is a walk of faith. Postribbers have huge faith in...

The rapture is only for those looking for the groom. The rapture is a "Bride / groom dynamic". David will stay. He will face the antichrist. " one taken, one left behind". Only those looking for him are taken. (Half the church). David is awaiting the false Christ as are all postribbers. They...

I do not, uder ANY CIRCUMSTANCES , need your special separation, and hyper definition , of trib., great trib, and wrath. Anyone can see, that NONE OF THE 3 COMINGS ARE IN "POWER AND GREAT GLORY," EXCEPT THE SECOND COMING ON WHITE HORSES. That is the ONLY coming in "power and great glory." So...

Oh I see You need the extra idea that the Church is not in heaven, pre second coming, which is easily debunked. No brainer in fact.

Yes, sort of. The rapture according to the Bible has roughly half taken pretrib , and half left behind. Postribs stumble at that dynamic and make that concept into "half the world is wicked, and half righteous". IOW, Yet another totally misplaced section of Gods word by postrib rapture theory...

News flash. If it is Michael, I am fine with it. If it is the Holy Spirit. I am fine with it. If it is the church i am fine with it. If you see my 8 or 11 VERSES proving a pretrib rapture ( of course i do not stray into your false belief of "one coming" a 6 yr old could debunk ), then...

1 thes 1 5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when...

The days shortened is rev 14:14. The elect harvested mid trib.